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 Posted:   Sep 11, 2013 - 5:09 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

To all my American friends - and anyone else affected by the events of 9/11 - my thoughts are with you today.

In July I had the privilege of visiting the memorial in New York. It was especially touching as I was taken there by my American friend Pete Catarelli who's brother Ricky was killed in the North Tower.

The two fountains they have erected in the footprints of the towers, which name all those you died, are a lovely tribute.



 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2013 - 7:58 AM   
 By:   Storyteller   (Member)



 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2013 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)











 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2013 - 9:16 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

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 Posted:   Sep 13, 2013 - 1:13 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

Perhaps you'll all take a minute too to mourn the many, many thousands of civilian victims in Afghanistan and Iraq that US drones and bombers killed.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2013 - 1:38 AM   
 By:   Storyteller   (Member)

Perhaps you'll all take a minute too to mourn the many, many thousands of civilian victims in Afghanistan and Iraq that US drones and bombers killed.


Here we go.

You know, you could have just started a different thread asking this instead of trying to stir up trouble here.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2013 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

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 Posted:   Sep 13, 2013 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

Perhaps you'll all take a minute too to mourn the many, many thousands of civilian victims in Afghanistan and Iraq that US drones and bombers killed.


Here we go.

You know, you could have just started a different thread asking this instead of trying to stir up trouble here.


???? - I just suggested people take a minute to reflect on other victims, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2013 - 5:03 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

OnlyGoodMusic - Your "innocence" fools no-one. The last time it was "I'm not spoiling anything", when you knew you were - and it got you banned.

Your contributions to the film music side of things have always been thoughtful and intelligent. We've had a few good discussions and I wouldn't like to see you disappear again because of insensitive pig-headedness on other issues.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Perhaps you'll all take a minute too to mourn the many, many thousands of civilian victims in Afghanistan and Iraq that US drones and bombers killed.

Honestly, I don't see ANY problem in stating this. All lives are worth the same.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   Penelope Pineapple   (Member)

Perhaps you'll all take a minute too to mourn the many, many thousands of civilian victims in Afghanistan and Iraq that US drones and bombers killed.

Honestly, I don't see ANY problem in stating this. All lives are worth the same.


Indeed! I'll gladly support this sentiment....

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

Perhaps you'll all take a minute too to mourn the many, many thousands of civilian victims in Afghanistan and Iraq that US drones and bombers killed.

Honestly, I don't see ANY problem in stating this. All lives are worth the same.


Indeed! I'll gladly support this sentiment....

I totally agree with this sentiment too but this poster has written this kind of inflammatory statement before, he just can't help himself.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Perhaps you'll all take a minute too to mourn the many, many thousands of civilian victims in Afghanistan and Iraq that US drones and bombers killed.

Honestly, I don't see ANY problem in stating this. All lives are worth the same.

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I agree. In no way should it be controversial to also remember the civilian victims of Afghanistan and Iraq.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

But this thread was created to honour the people who died on 9/11.
The poster should have opened a new thread to honour those other deaths (and his comment could be construed as a direct response to the World Trade Ctr attack).
Would one jump into an obit about Maurice Jarre or Jerry Goldsmith and yell 'yeah, but what about Elmer Bernstein!!'

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

You know something? I ALSO agree with the sentiment. But there's such a thing as a time and a place...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

... and it's such conscious consideration of said T.A.P (Time and Place) that's usually so sorely overlooked, if not utterly missing.

One wonders if there's any detachment involved when something totally unconnected in any SPECIFIC (not generally applicable) sense is introduced - and then 'they' wonder why their comments invite the kind of response it's engendered.

It takes just as much energy and sensitivity to pause and reflect with "Wait, what's this all about and how does what I haveta say reflect that in a respectful way?"

The difference between Response and Reaction isn't insignificant.

Kev's komparison about the film composer's eulogy is frighteningly apt (because this is precisely what someone around here inevitably WOULD 'contribute' with a 'Who me, what did I do?" perspective.

Now, for something truly radical: anybody wanna offer anything on the 12th Anniversary of what Mick's inaugural offering started?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   Clark Wayne   (Member)

Maybe, and I do not mean to be controversial here, it would be better NOT to make a big deal out of 11 September any more.

It has been over a decade-the world has moved on, and to open up old wounds is not healthy. Let those who died rest in peace and allow those who mourn them to have the time and space to do so as they wish.

It certainly shouldn't be used as an excuse for further military activities. Or the horrible commercial exploitation that has been brought up this week-almost turning it into a holiday occasion.

There has been a rash of programmes and films on UK TV this week on 11 September and I do not understand why-I find it somewhat offensive and exploitative. I don't recall much fuss over our own terrorist tragedies, by they by Islamic fanatics or Irish gangsters.

RIP and really may the thousands of victims of terrorism and war all over the world do so.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I partly agree with what you said Clark, the TV coverage feels voyeuristic. But to say we should quietly forget 9/11 because it's already been over a decade ago? No way! By that reckoning it's akin to "letting go" of the Holocaust because it happened over 68 years ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

With consideration towards Clark and no doubt the many others who subscribe to his perspective, we gotta plant our tent on your syde, Tim-ski.

While we understand the entire concept - in all its generally healthy overtones - this entire notion of "Moving On" ... just doesn't ... Do It.

We wonder at the subtext sometimes - are those who advocate such truly that balanced or are there instances where there's a subliminal uncomfort re the subject's continuing discourse?

When the Israelis unapologetically state "Never Again", that's exactly what they mean: the situatiion won't ever occur if they have anything to do about it and they're not handing over the power of their commemorative perceptions to any other entity who deems it 'enough - let go. move on'.

These are precisely the same kinda attitudes encountered when folks have a timeline for everyone else's traumatic events - it's been too long, don't get stuck, move on, why bring it up, it happened so long ago, you should be 'over' it by now.

[ To which we say: go sit onna rock and royally rotate. ]

Nothing takes a 'long' time: it just takes as long as it takes.

Actually, the History and Discovery channels State-wide had a handful of extremely insightful and informative documentaries about That Day shedding invaluable new light on the events and the participants connected with it.

Was it damn difficult to watch?

You betcha.

But weigh that against the families who will NEVER recover, and the balance of it all becomes a mite more clear.

Whether it's the 12th or 1,000th anniversary (assuming the carbon-units on this isolated blue orb are still around), you don't honor, preserve and (possibly prevent) History from mirroring itself by trying to distance yourself from an epochal event Humanity needs to continually REMIND itself the lingering lasting transformative lessons thereof.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Penelope Pineapple   (Member)

But this thread was created to honour the people who died on 9/11.

Really? The original poster wrote "...and anyone else affected by the events of 9/11...." Call me crazy, but I'd say that leaves plenty of room to also remember the innocent civilians killed abroad as a result of the events on 9/11.

 
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