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 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

On youtube , you can find under "tyrone power solomon"an approximately six minute montage of actual scenes and stills from his performance in SOLOMON AND SHEBA.

Not just scenes and stills but a photo of Power on the floor during his heart attack being attended by film crew. Anyone viewing the video who has any sort of emotional connection to Power should be aware of that.

As for the clips, they seem to me of a higher quality than anything currently in the film. Is it the acting, or was the script revised? Or did the director simply lose heart after Power's demise?


I dont think that those photos of Power on the ground are from the scene he was filming when he had the fatal attack --
That scene was Solomon's final sword fight with Adonijah and his costume is quite different. You can see Power, Sanders and Lollobrigida in one b/w photo standing between takes as they get ready to stage that fight - it is also outdoors. The stills of Power on the floor look like the (indoor)scene where S&S are attacked by Josiah, Adonijah's cohort , and another man and Solomon has to fight them off.

Before he accepted the role , Yul Brynner demanded and had revisions made to the script to fit his more macho approach to the role. The scene on youtube showing Solomon(Power )talking to Abishag(Pavan) about fighting his impulse to put his hand in the flame - a metaphor - is quite different than the one in the completed film. It is clear that King Vidor was in an unhappy situation and he did the best he could. His later stated that the completed film was much changed from his initial hope and vision.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 8:22 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

On youtube , you can find under "tyrone power solomon"an approximately six minute montage of actual scenes and stills from his performance in SOLOMON AND SHEBA.

Not just scenes and stills but a photo of Power on the floor during his heart attack being attended by film crew. Anyone viewing the video who has any sort of emotional connection to Power should be aware of that.

As for the clips, they seem to me of a higher quality than anything currently in the film. Is it the acting, or was the script revised? Or did the director simply lose heart after Power's demise?


I dont think that those photos of Power on the ground are from the scene he was filming when he had the fatal attack --
That scene was Solomon's final sword fight with Adonijah and his costume is quite different. You can see Power, Sanders and Lollobrigida in one b/w photo standing between takes as they get ready to stage that fight - it is also outdoors. The stills of Power on the floor look like the (indoor)scene where S&S are attacked by Josiah, Adonijah's cohort , and another man and Solomon has to fight them off.


If it's not that moment, it's certainly a cogent reminder of the moment. For anyone who hasn't viewed the video yet the link is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP9OV3Zl-0M and the time point is 4:05.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2014 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   SoundScope   (Member)

Hope that the guys at Twilight Time get the message that this film is a pile of "shite" and they choose not to consider putting it out, just to teach low-end scumbags like me to appreciate "great art" and not to enjoy a film that was a part of my childhood. I'm sure that they will make that happen. Thanks so much.


I bought SOLOMON AND SHEBA on laserdisc.

I bought it on DVD.

I would certainly buy it on Blu-ray,
and I'm sure others would, as well.


I have so many dvd's and this is one of them. But I would buy it on Blu if it were available! My general rule on any more buys of films i already own these days is that if it were shot with a wide format system (i.e. 70mm or horizontal frame) i'll buy the blu-ray. Solomon and Sheba would be nice to see that way!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2014 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

Hope that the guys at Twilight Time get the message that this film is a pile of "shite" and they choose not to consider putting it out, just to teach low-end scumbags like me to appreciate "great art" and not to enjoy a film that was a part of my childhood. I'm sure that they will make that happen. Thanks so much.


I bought SOLOMON AND SHEBA on laserdisc.

I bought it on DVD.

I would certainly buy it on Blu-ray,
and I'm sure others would, as well.


I have so many dvd's and this is one of them. But I would buy it on Blu if it were available! My general rule on any more buys of films i already own these days is that if it were shot with a wide format system (i.e. 70mm or horizontal frame) i'll buy the blu-ray. Solomon and Sheba would be nice to see that way!


This Biblical would look spectacular in Blu-Ray - thanks to the 70mm cinematography. And it is also in Technicolor which makes today's epics like NOAH look washed out and drab.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2014 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   paulw   (Member)

Hope that the guys at Twilight Time get the message that this film is a pile of "shite" and they choose not to consider putting it out, just to teach low-end scumbags like me to appreciate "great art" and not to enjoy a film that was a part of my childhood. I'm sure that they will make that happen. Thanks so much.


I bought SOLOMON AND SHEBA on laserdisc.

I bought it on DVD.

I would certainly buy it on Blu-ray,
and I'm sure others would, as well.


I have so many dvd's and this is one of them. But I would buy it on Blu if it were available! My general rule on any more buys of films i already own these days is that if it were shot with a wide format system (i.e. 70mm or horizontal frame) i'll buy the blu-ray. Solomon and Sheba would be nice to see that way!


This Biblical would look spectacular in Blu-Ray - thanks to the 70mm cinematography. And it is also in Technicolor which makes today's epics like NOAH look washed out and drab.


This is assuming that the Blu-ray is taken from a 70mm master not a 35mm version..

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2014 - 7:51 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

Hope that the guys at Twilight Time get the message that this film is a pile of "shite" and they choose not to consider putting it out, just to teach low-end scumbags like me to appreciate "great art" and not to enjoy a film that was a part of my childhood. I'm sure that they will make that happen. Thanks so much.


I bought SOLOMON AND SHEBA on laserdisc.

I bought it on DVD.

I would certainly buy it on Blu-ray,
and I'm sure others would, as well.


I have so many dvd's and this is one of them. But I would buy it on Blu if it were available! My general rule on any more buys of films i already own these days is that if it were shot with a wide format system (i.e. 70mm or horizontal frame) i'll buy the blu-ray. Solomon and Sheba would be nice to see that way!


This Biblical would look spectacular in Blu-Ray - thanks to the 70mm cinematography. And it is also in Technicolor which makes today's epics like NOAH look washed out and drab.


This is assuming that the Blu-ray is taken from a 70mm master not a 35mm version..


I dont know for sure but the U.S. dvd had an excellent picture that looked like it might have come from a 70mm print - sharp image + bright colors.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2014 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

In this thread above, Jim Doherty developed track titles for the United Artists SOLOMON AND SHEBA LP. I found another thread in which WILLIAMDMCCRUM gave alternate track titles. Here is a comparison, with Jim Doherty first and WILLIAMDMCCRUM in brackets:

SIDE A:
A1: Orgiastic Dance (small section) [Rha-Gon (???!!!)]
A2: First Battle, Part One [Egyptian Invasion]
A3: Final Battle, Part Two [Battle in Israel]
A4: Final Battle, Part One [Battle in Israel]
A5: Orgiastic Dance (another section) [Pagan Festival]
A6: Main Title [Main Theme (Title)]
A7: Solomon Talks with God [King David's Death]
A8: Purification of Sheba [Miracle]

SIDE B:
B1: The Soldiers Return [Returning to Arms]
B2: Solomon and Sheba [The Misty Lake]
B3: Mourning Abishag [Hymn to Jehovah]
B4: Sheban Camp [Sheban Caravans]
B5: Death of Abishag (alternate?) [Abishag]
B6: ? –This is either an alternate of some other cue, or something that went unused – perhaps
under a longer version of Solomon’s “…but joy cometh in the morning” speech at the end of
the film). [Solomon's Meditation]
B7: A Day Together [Peace in Israel]
B8: Blind To Love [Declaration of Love]

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2014 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

Someone was listening at Twilight Time to our long discussions of SOLOMON AND SHEBA ( & BARABBAS) since it is being released on BR in March -- Hosanna !

Thank you for bringing this classic film to a new generation , Twilight Time!

Also very excited about APRIL LOVE , JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH + THE BOUNTY.. Hope you will be able rerelease MYSTERIOUS ISLAND too eventually.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

Since they seem to be on a Pat Boone tangent (APRIL LOVE, JTTCOTE), how about the rare Pat Boone suspense drama THE YELLOW CANARY (1964 and Fox, I think)? That film disappeared after its first-run release.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Someone was listening at Twilight Time to our long discussions of SOLOMON AND SHEBA ( & BARABBAS) since it is being released on BR in March -- Hosanna !

Thank you for bringing this classic film to a new generation , Twilight Time!

Also very excited about APRIL LOVE , JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH + THE BOUNTY.. Hope you will be able rerelease MYSTERIOUS ISLAND too eventually.



I've heard fans call S&S fun and entertaining. Music is interesting. But a 'classic'? Really?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Ed Lachmann   (Member)

Someone was listening at Twilight Time to our long discussions of SOLOMON AND SHEBA ( & BARABBAS) since it is being released on BR in March -- Hosanna !

Thank you for bringing this classic film to a new generation , Twilight Time!

Also very excited about APRIL LOVE , JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH + THE BOUNTY.. Hope you will be able rerelease MYSTERIOUS ISLAND too eventually.



I've heard fans call S&S fun and entertaining. Music is interesting. But a 'classic'? Really?


No more or less than anything is a "classic". It never fails to surprise me the amount of invective that is hurled at poor S&S while real pieces of crap get a free pass. For those of us who were young kids in the theater for the 70mm presentation "in the day" it is most certainly a classic. For others, probably not. Kind of like the tots who went to STAR WARS and still love it as adults. It was a brave and generous move by TT to make it happen and I, for one, REALLY appreciate it.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

Someone was listening at Twilight Time to our long discussions of SOLOMON AND SHEBA ( & BARABBAS) since it is being released on BR in March -- Hosanna !

Thank you for bringing this classic film to a new generation , Twilight Time!

Also very excited about APRIL LOVE , JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH + THE BOUNTY.. Hope you will be able rerelease MYSTERIOUS ISLAND too eventually.



I've heard fans call S&S fun and entertaining. Music is interesting. But a 'classic'? Really?


No more or less than anything is a "classic". It never fails to surprise me the amount of invective that is hurled at poor S&S while real pieces of crap get a free pass. For those of us who were young kids in the theater for the 70mm presentation "in the day" it is most certainly a classic. For others, probably not. Kind of like the tots who went to STAR WARS and still love it as adults. It was a brave and generous move by TT to make it happen and I, for one, REALLY appreciate it.[/endquote

thanks, Ed. I couldn't have said it better - my exact feelings!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Someone was listening at Twilight Time to our long discussions of SOLOMON AND SHEBA ( & BARABBAS) since it is being released on BR in March -- Hosanna !

Thank you for bringing this classic film to a new generation , Twilight Time!

Also very excited about APRIL LOVE , JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH + THE BOUNTY.. Hope you will be able rerelease MYSTERIOUS ISLAND too eventually.



I've heard fans call S&S fun and entertaining. Music is interesting. But a 'classic'? Really?


No more or less than anything is a "classic". It never fails to surprise me the amount of invective that is hurled at poor S&S while real pieces of crap get a free pass. For those of us who were young kids in the theater for the 70mm presentation "in the day" it is most certainly a classic. For others, probably not. Kind of like the tots who went to STAR WARS and still love it as adults. It was a brave and generous move by TT to make it happen and I, for one, REALLY appreciate it.


You're probably right. I don't believe that many fans would agree on what constitutes a 'classic' film. A film that stands the test of time? Who knows? It's just that I've never heard anyone say that S&S is a 'classic' film. Favorite maybe..but classic?

On a personal level I've always -until recently-enjoyed this film since seeing a trailer back in 1958 and actually seeing it first run(non Roadshow). Recalled the music and the chariots falling into the 'ditch'. Taped it from a HD showing last year and couldn't get past the wooden acting. Another 'favorite' bit the dust. In my case times have changed as well as taste. Many of the Roadshow epics I so enjoyed in the 50's and 60's just don't cut it any longer while well written and acted films such as Sunset Boulevard, Sabrina, Elmer Gantry are admired. My 2 cents worth.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Wonder if Twilight Time will release the roadshow version of S&S.

Somehow, I doubt it.

Would be great if they included the above mentioned Tyrone Power sequences.

But I doubt that too.

Oh well...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

John Archibald - what roadshow version?

The current version on regular dvd is the roadshow version - the film never had overture or intermission.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

Joe is correct -- this is the Roadshow version.. Would love anything on the Ty Power version included.

Perhaps John, you are thinking of Barabbas -- the uncut version shown in Italy was longer by about 20 minutes I have read.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2014 - 7:43 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Joe is correct -- this is the Roadshow version.. Would love anything on the Ty Power version included.

Perhaps John, you are thinking of Barabbas -- the uncut version shown in Italy was longer by about 20 minutes I have read.


Don't believe that S&S played Roadshow in NY-though I have the program.

Barabbas is another story. It would not surprise me to learn that the Italian version was longer by 20 minutes. Barabbas has some abrupt cuts that are quite apparent. The whole stoning episode in the first half of the picture is poorly edited and appears cut.

The Barabbas DVD is the US Roadshow length EXCEPT it does not have the Overture, nor music leading to the Intermission(Barabbas being carted away from the mines) and the Entr'acte. The Overture and Entr'acte music is the same and can be listened to on the CD under the name Intermezzo.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)



No more or less than anything is a "classic". It never fails to surprise me the amount of invective that is hurled at poor S&S while real pieces of crap get a free pass. For those of us who were young kids in the theater for the 70mm presentation "in the day" it is most certainly a classic.


It depends how the word “classic” is defined. Very often nowadays any film of a certain vintage (say pre-1970) is automatically catalogued as a classic. Leonard Maltin publishes a “Classic Movie Guide” which features 10,000 films up to his arbitrary cut-off point of 1965 but no one would claim that all those films are, as one dictionary definition puts it, “a work of art of recognized and established value”.

I’d say it’s only the acceptance of majority critical opinion over the long term which makes a film a true classic, in that it is a work of excellence such as CITIZEN KANE or VERTIGO. On that definition I’m sure that SOLOMAN AND SHEBA does not qualify but it's obviously a classic film in the definition of it being of a certain vintage.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Ed Lachmann   (Member)

Many of the Roadshow epics I so enjoyed in the 50's and 60's just don't cut it any longer while well written and acted films such as Sunset Boulevard, Sabrina, Elmer Gantry are admired. My 2 cents worth.

Point well taken. Still, I can't count the number of times I've pulled my TT "Egyptian","Demetrius" or "Khartoum" out to view again. I think they become something akin to "comfort food" for me. I imagine the SO welcomed "S&S" will become that also. I'm at an odd point in life when the socially conscious "controversial" films don't cut it for me anymore as much as they used to and I long for the bright colors, lovely scores, gorgeous costumes and intricate sets. Even "Citizen Kane" has come to annoy me, probably because I've become such a Marion Davis fan and just love films like "Show People". Or maybe it's just because the kid in me refuses to die. Plus, in blu-ray these classic epics can look quite incredible.

 
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