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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Black Sunday
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

I will have this - I promise - but I'm not spending the money just yet. At 10,000 copies it's SURELY going to be available till the end of the month, at the very least (when the refund of my electricity overpayment comes through). I mean, I haven't bought FREUD yet....

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   tarasis   (Member)

I bet SPACECAMP will be re-released at some point (there were talks several years ago that SuperCollector was reissuing the original album, but it never materialized). A straight LP reissue would be just fine. However, I don't know who controls the rights for this score.

I'm sure also we'll see FAMILY PLOT soon and probably an expanded DRACULA as well. I hope someone is working on a complete and restored 1941--this is a hell of a score that deserves justice! smile


I agree with you about 1941, it really deserves a meatier CD release that it currently has. There is a lot of great & fun music in that movie. Plus I'd love to own a copy of Spacecamp.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   rmos   (Member)

With the Super Bowl just around the corner, I am surprised no one has commented on the timing of this particular release- until now, that is!


I did ... way back on page two of this discussion.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

This topic only has one page.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

This topic only has one page.

Depending on how many messages per page you have set in your FSM preferences. For me, we're on page 4.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   Josh Mitchell   (Member)

EDIT: See Schiffy's post above

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 5:33 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

This movie is playing as a double feature with "Two Minute Warning" at the Aero Theatre in Santa Monica on February 3rd, just in time for the Super Bowl!

Too bad they didn't pair Black Sunday with The Split:

http://filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/430/Split-The/

The Split is far from a great film but it's a masterpiece compared to Two Minute Warning.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

I can't believe anyone is picking fault with LK's urging to buy it as soon as possible. Other labels say the same thing but in a darker way – by shoving "1500 limited edition" on it they are basically telling you "Buy it in the next 24 hours or you can go to hell and pay three times as much for it on eBay". And that's the last we see of that title for another ten or twenty years, or maybe ever.

I am just imagining if I walked into a store and saw a pile of Black Sunday CDs and next to the display there is a guy in an FSM t-shirt reading off that paragraph to me. I think I'd be pretty annoyed at that point and perhaps run away. The product will sell itself, but the extreme limited editions of other labels is screwing the market up. If I buy an item that is 1500 limited it's because I want to hear it, not because it's a limited edition.

Believe me, I am incredibly grateful for the realization that the limited edition game lately has been crazy and that FSM got a special deal with the AFM for 10000 units. I just don't see a need to guilt your already eager customer base into buying it. Then again I don't own a record label, so what do I know?

I say this all while feeling that FSM has consistently been the best towards its customers in regards to limited editions. Lukas could have done like Varese or Intrada and issued many of his albums in 1000 or 1500 runs and offloaded them quickly. Instead I'm sure he gets punished since people go buy those instantly from Intrada and Varese while he sells 500 out of 3000 and then a trickle for years. Many of us procrastinate on them because we know they'll be around for awhile. (I am guilty of this.)

Ultimately the success of this idea depends on whether the other labels play nicely with it. Intrada released an unknown but evidently sizable run for Back to the Future and then followed that up with a Goldsmith title that sold out in days. Seriously, what happened to albums that stick around for a few years? Yeah, most Goldsmith fans already owned that score, but if Bandolero and others are any clue, it seems most aren't afraid of double-dipping for more music and/or better sound quality.

It's getting worse instead of better and if FSM is the only one that tries the experiment then that is more a failure of the other labels than the customer base. Most of us have a limited amount of money to spend on this stuff. If there's something out there in one of these ridiculous 1000-2000 runs, then obviously those will get priority on the 'wish list' over others out of the simple necessity of not wanting to play with the insane speculators on eBay. Of course high prices on eBay are detrimental to the entire market since it sucks out money that would otherwise go back to the labels in sales of other titles, assuming of course that the buyers are film score fans and not just interested in a specific title.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   DJ3J   (Member)

Ultimately the success of this idea depends on whether the other labels play nicely with it. Intrada released an unknown but evidently sizable run for Back to the Future and then followed that up with a Goldsmith title that sold out in days. Seriously, what happened to albums that stick around for a few years? Yeah, most Goldsmith fans already owned that score, but if Bandolero and others are any clue, it seems most aren't afraid of double-dipping for more music and/or better sound quality.

Funny you say that actually because Doug's Corner just shed a bit of light on the BTTF pressing situation:

"We originally negotiated a special arrangement with the union to allow 10,000 pressings so we could get copies into as many hands as possible. Happily, the union has now become extremely helpful in making arrangements like this, enabling releases of all manner of previously unobtainable soundtracks. Regarding BACK TO THE FUTURE, I'm happy to say we've sold just under 6000 copies to date."

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 7:17 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Ultimately the success of this idea depends on whether the other labels play nicely with it. Intrada released an unknown but evidently sizable run for Back to the Future and then followed that up with a Goldsmith title that sold out in days. Seriously, what happened to albums that stick around for a few years? Yeah, most Goldsmith fans already owned that score, but if Bandolero and others are any clue, it seems most aren't afraid of double-dipping for more music and/or better sound quality.

Funny you say that actually because Doug's Corner just shed a bit of light on the BTTF pressing situation:

"We originally negotiated a special arrangement with the union to allow 10,000 pressings so we could get copies into as many hands as possible. Happily, the union has now become extremely helpful in making arrangements like this, enabling releases of all manner of previously unobtainable soundtracks. Regarding BACK TO THE FUTURE, I'm happy to say we've sold just under 6000 copies to date."


Rather impressive figure. For titles like BTTF and BS obviously justifiable-

It's those titles of limited appeal, YET NONTHELESS desirable for some, when it becomes problematic. Anyone for 10,000 copies of LASERBLAST? Or scores of other B sci-fi/horror peculiarities?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 7:37 PM   
 By:   DJ3J   (Member)

Rather impressive figure. For titles like BTTF and BS obviously justifiable-

It's those titles of limited appeal, YET NONTHELESS desirable for some, when it becomes problematic. Anyone for 10,000 copies of LASERBLAST? Or scores of other B sci-fi/horror peculiarities?


I think there is where it becomes "damned if you do and damned if you don't". Something like Invaders from Mars could sell out within hours but Bruce Broughton's wonderful scores to Harry and the Hendersons and The Monster Squad have been hanging around. And that is not to say that Young's Invaders wasn't worthy of being a sellout. It is a marvelous score and plus it is way more limited BUT it comes down to guess work. I mean, a couple of Intrada's David Newman scores are still around even with their low pressings. The Amazing Stories Anthologies seem to be gathering dust and two wonderful lower quantity pressings from FSM, Captain Nemo and Heart is a Lonely Hunter, are still around. All WONDERFUL music. But not as many people seem to be into them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   12-tone   (Member)

FSM has consistently been the best towards its customers in regards to limited editions.

I agree. Intrada cares more about quick sellout than loyal customers. Intrada is the real money-sucker!!!

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

FSM has consistently been the best towards its customers in regards to limited editions.

I agree. Intrada cares more about quick sellout than loyal customers. Intrada is the real money-sucker!!!


Gee, I hate to hear that - I think it's a LEETLE bit rough on a really fine outfit. I think a look at the bigger picture is required. DCF and RF are extremely consumer friendly.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 9:22 PM   
 By:   Scott Bettencourt   (Member)

This movie is playing as a double feature with "Two Minute Warning" at the Aero Theatre in Santa Monica on February 3rd, just in time for the Super Bowl!

Too bad they didn't pair Black Sunday with The Split:

http://filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/430/Split-The/

The Split is far from a great film but it's a masterpiece compared to Two Minute Warning.


I've never understood all the hate for Two-Minute Warning. Sure, it's no Black Sunday, but it's a much odder and darker film than you'd expect from an all-star Universal 70s thriller.

If nothing else, having John Cassavetes as a SWAT leader who's too trigger-happy for CHARLTON N.R.A. HESTON is an droll touch, if accidental.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 10:01 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

FSM has consistently been the best towards its customers in regards to limited editions.

I agree. Intrada cares more about quick sellout than loyal customers. Intrada is the real money-sucker!!!


I'm playing a bit of catch-up here. Is the premise that Intrada would rather sell fewer CDs than they otherwise might, and that this makes them greedy? Not quite sure how that works.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2010 - 11:31 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

Yeah...how the hell did this thread become about Intrada being the bad guy?

I've NEVER had a problem with Intrada and as far as I have seen, they will take the extra effort to correct flawed pressings or replace damaged material.

They also don't lay hidden guilt trips about not purchasing their releases right away.

(Yeah, I know Lukas explained that. I just think it could have been worded in a way that didn't sound so demeaning.)

James

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2010 - 3:45 AM   
 By:   antipodean   (Member)

FSM always sets example for record companies. Unlike intrada, which only cares how to make money.

Learn from that, intrada!!!


This is a ridiculous statement. In fact, Intrada already licensed "Back To The Future" as a 10,000-unit run: they just didn't announce the quantity up front, simply assuring everyone that "it is higher than usual and there should be enough to go around", and only in yesterday's "Doug's Corner" did he reveal the number, probably because people have been asking about quantities.

To his credit, in the same post Doug makes the point that "Back To The Future" would still be around for a while, and "...assuming you need to stretch your budget (like most of us), use this window to chase down some of those other goodies out there..." and goes on to name two other recent releases by La-La-Land and FSM. So stop throwing your thoughtless accusations around.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2010 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Imperialsound   (Member)

Just put my order.

FSM always sets example for record companies. Unlike intrada, which only cares how to make money.

Learn from that, intrada!!!


What a stupid comment.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2010 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

FSM has consistently been the best towards its customers in regards to limited editions.

I agree. Intrada cares more about quick sellout than loyal customers. Intrada is the real money-sucker!!!




What is with this guy?!


Newsflash: You're an idiot.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2010 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

It's those titles of limited appeal, YET NONTHELESS desirable for some, when it becomes problematic. Anyone for 10,000 copies of LASERBLAST? Or scores of other B sci-fi/horror peculiarities?

I guess it comes down to the difference in cost between licensing a 1,000 unit run vs a 3,000 unit one. That's proprietary information we'll never know. Otherwise it seems there is no reason to announce 1,000 or 2,000 units except to artificially front-load the demand for a title. From what I understand, most of the titles advertised for 3,000 are not going to be manufactured in that amount all at once.

 
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