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I kinda like the fact that double CD sets are coming out more often, these days, no matter what's in them. I'm not buying those watermellons but I'm glad for those who like them.
Cheers!
Bob
PS:
YOR, I like you!
Oh and I also dislike Hans Zimmer's work! A couple of good scores (exceptions) among 90% of dull listens.
Yes, I'm a member of The Cult of Jerry! :-)
baaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!
baaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!
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I'm not impressed with the samples, in fact I didn't get very far before having to turn it off.
There are those who say Ottman did a horrible job for Superman Returns. I for one love that score and at least he kept Williams themes in... Say what you will about the score for Superman Returns but it's 100x's better than this turd of steel!
How do you form such an opinion when you've barely listened to a few short samples that you had to turn off?
I'm not sure how one compares a score that they've heard in its entirety, on CD or in the film (Superman Returns) with a score they've heard maybe a minute or two of (Man of Steel).
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In all fairness it is hard to judge before hearing/seeing the film. But based on Zimmer's trend of late...(his Batman material) I dont think we will be hearing a hummable, recognizable theme. If it is, it wont be nearly as memorable as Williams themes. Then again...one never knows. We all have our opinions on how we would each like the direction of the score to go, and the bottom line is, we will have to wait until June to find out for ourselves. Personally, if the score sucks, I'll still buy the CD sets because I'm a Superman fan. It's a no brainer. And if it is bad, then at least I have the Superman Blue Box to lift my spirits. But until then, I will reserve judgement. I just really hope for a theme. I just hope for a nice, theme (that isnt buried under tons of loud percussion). After listening to Brian Tyler's score to Iron Man 3, I find myself wondering how it wouldve been had he composed the score. I'm sure we would've gotten a theme with some great orchestral treatment. In any case, even though I am not getting my hopes up, I am still looking forward to it's release and will hope for the best. It deserves a chance at least.
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May 1, 2013 - 4:22 PM
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After listening to Brian Tyler's score to Iron Man 3, I find myself wondering how it wouldve been had he composed the score. I'm sure we would've gotten a theme with some great orchestral treatment.
I can't imagine that's true. A composer is a collaborator on a film, he doesn't work on his own. And he is guided by the director/producers/studio. They weren't hoping for a bright, orchestral theme and then, when Zimmer delivered this (I haven't listened yet, I'm not passing judgment), shrugged and said "Oh well, it's what Hans wanted."
The goal of this film was to make Superman cool again, in the way Nolan made Batman cool after too many silly films. (Again, I'm not passing judgment on this or any Superman film, just stating the studio's hope.) Let's face it: Melodies are not currently cool. They are dorky.
I'm just sayin'.
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May 1, 2013 - 8:09 PM
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This Man of Steel score is hopeless just like I knew it would be; and I personally believe I have figured out an answer as to "Why?"
It is because they are trying to make this film as realistic as they can. They are sticking to realism as much as possible. They are actually looking at ways of making this film “more like a true story” – not the fictional story about hope that we know – they are also trying to make it serious – without much humor (if any) in the film.
If the music was to BE HEROIC, or in the John Williams league, then, it wouldn't FEEL like a documentary. The Producers of this film, are making a realistic version of Superman, as if it was a 60 minutes documentary; in other words – “news footage”. The last thing the producers want; is a “comic book” film.
They are trying to create something unique, and this means – a Superman film, that is realistic, therefore the music needs to reflect modern times, and that means, creating a sound that is associated with music that you would hear in a HMV music store, the kind of music 95 % of the (young) population listen. (Since – its the teenage market that dominates our cinemas, they are targeting THAT AUDIENCE).
This is why there won't be any themes to associate the character with. If the music was to sing the "Superman" lyric, it would instantly transport the audience back to "fantasy land" and Director Zack Snyder doesn't want that. He is no Richard Donner when it comes to Modern Film Making - (or Modern Film Scoring for that Matter).
He doesn't care whether or not the average person out there in the audience will be able to hum the theme song in 10 years time - (only a short, limited amount of people in this world care about that - 3,000 seems to be the popular number?)
The rest of the population doesn't care for the film score either, and neither do the Warner Bros. Executives - all they care about is making a "bucK" - and the way to do that, is to Target the correct audience, which in most CINEMA RELATED CASES, is the teenage market out there who bring in the bread and butter for the film studios.
As mentioned above, all you really need to do is walk into a fashion store, to hear what kind of music dominates our pop culture, and that is the kind of material you get in these movies.
Not the memorable Movie Themes of the 70s and 80s which were John Williams "golden period" - Let's all hope that Mr. Williams still gets the new Star Wars project - those might be the last great scores we'll ever get!
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In all fairness it is hard to judge before hearing/seeing the film. But based on Zimmer's trend of late...(his Batman material) I dont think we will be hearing a hummable, recognizable theme. If it is, it wont be nearly as memorable as Williams themes. Then again...one never knows. We all have our opinions on how we would each like the direction of the score to go, and the bottom line is, we will have to wait until June to find out for ourselves. Personally, if the score sucks, I'll still buy the CD sets because I'm a Superman fan. It's a no brainer. And if it is bad, then at least I have the Superman Blue Box to lift my spirits. But until then, I will reserve judgement. I just really hope for a theme. I just hope for a nice, theme (that isnt buried under tons of loud percussion). After listening to Brian Tyler's score to Iron Man 3, I find myself wondering how it wouldve been had he composed the score. I'm sure we would've gotten a theme with some great orchestral treatment. In any case, even though I am not getting my hopes up, I am still looking forward to it's release and will hope for the best. It deserves a chance at least.
So now Brian Tyler is the salvation of film scoring? Now I've heard it all.
Ciao
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May 1, 2013 - 10:08 PM
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This Man of Steel score is hopeless just like I knew it would be; and I personally believe I have figured out an answer as to "Why?"
It is because they are trying to make this film as realistic as they can. They are sticking to realism as much as possible. They are actually looking at ways of making this film “more like a true story” – not the fictional story about hope that we know – they are also trying to make it serious – without much humor (if any) in the film.
If the music was to BE HEROIC, or in the John Williams league, then, it wouldn't FEEL like a documentary. The Producers of this film, are making a realistic version of Superman, as if it was a 60 minutes documentary; in other words – “news footage”. The last thing the producers want; is a “comic book” film.
They are trying to create something unique, and this means – a Superman film, that is realistic, therefore the music needs to reflect modern times, and that means, creating a sound that is associated with music that you would hear in a HMV music store, the kind of music 95 % of the (young) population listen. (Since – its the teenage market that dominates our cinemas, they are targeting THAT AUDIENCE).
This is why there won't be any themes to associate the character with. If the music was to sing the "Superman" lyric, it would instantly transport the audience back to "fantasy land" and Director Zack Snyder doesn't want that. He is no Richard Donner when it comes to Modern Film Making - (or Modern Film Scoring for that Matter).
He doesn't care whether or not the average person out there in the audience will be able to hum the theme song in 10 years time - (only a short, limited amount of people in this world care about that - 3,000 seems to be the popular number?)
The rest of the population doesn't care for the film score either, and neither do the Warner Bros. Executives - all they care about is making a "bucK" - and the way to do that, is to Target the correct audience, which in most CINEMA RELATED CASES, is the teenage market out there who bring in the bread and butter for the film studios.
As mentioned above, all you really need to do is walk into a fashion store, to hear what kind of music dominates our pop culture, and that is the kind of material you get in these movies.
Not the memorable Movie Themes of the 70s and 80s which were John Williams "golden period" - Let's all hope that Mr. Williams still gets the new Star Wars project - those might be the last great scores we'll ever get!
And you know all this about the score how, exactly? Have you heard it? Or are you judging by 6 minutes of poor quality samples?
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May 1, 2013 - 10:09 PM
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In all fairness it is hard to judge before hearing/seeing the film. But based on Zimmer's trend of late...(his Batman material) I dont think we will be hearing a hummable, recognizable theme. If it is, it wont be nearly as memorable as Williams themes. Then again...one never knows. We all have our opinions on how we would each like the direction of the score to go, and the bottom line is, we will have to wait until June to find out for ourselves. Personally, if the score sucks, I'll still buy the CD sets because I'm a Superman fan. It's a no brainer. And if it is bad, then at least I have the Superman Blue Box to lift my spirits. But until then, I will reserve judgement. I just really hope for a theme. I just hope for a nice, theme (that isnt buried under tons of loud percussion). After listening to Brian Tyler's score to Iron Man 3, I find myself wondering how it wouldve been had he composed the score. I'm sure we would've gotten a theme with some great orchestral treatment. In any case, even though I am not getting my hopes up, I am still looking forward to it's release and will hope for the best. It deserves a chance at least.
So now Brian Tyler is the salvation of film scoring? Now I've heard it all. See you guys. I've nothing more to contribute here or on this forum. Is an exercise in frustration but since this is my swan song I will offer this- I find a most disturbing inverse correlation of opinion to actual musical knowledge here. It simply boggles my mind.
I will miss exchanges with Mike West, one of the few guys I can speak in the vernacular that is comfortable for me. Mile if you're reading this, email me and we can discuss this score and others now and again. I'm going back to VI Index where guys like Hans Zimmer actually take time out of their schedules to offer help to other working musicians and are never too busy to answer a tech question.
Ciao
Well, bye then.
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May 2, 2013 - 3:48 PM
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Here is one opinion on FB from the person who does LLL's excellent avatars:
Illustrating the Score: So I got an advanced copy of this most controversial of scores and, well, what can I say... I both like and hate it. In most cases I enjoy Zimmer's work, as it usually offers up a fun listening experience, although, and I'll admit, it's not usually a refreshing one, but that's not a bad thing at all. MOS is not an exception, as the music seems to easily touch upon the surface of what the film might call for, which is to aurally coat it with some sentimentality and then fill it to brimming with the appropriate amounts of propulsive excitement and an edgy sense of sheer daringness. To this degree it succeeds very well, but the one thing that seems to be missing, however, is what makes the character of SUPERMAN so definable and that is something that truly screams heroism or just plain heroics.
In most cases there will be the inevitable comparison to John Williams' iconic and definitively defining score to SUPERMAN and there is no way around that, at all. I am trying not to do that, but, I'll admit, it is hard to separate from what Williams has accomplished, because he dug in deep and, in many ways, far surpassed what the 1978 film needed and drove right into the heart and soul of the character and, thereby, created something that was as characteristic, if not more so, as the letter "S" on SUPERMAN'S chest.
And I guess that this is what it comes down to; does Zimmer's music meet that same demand? In short, no it doesn't. At least for me it misses the mark by a huge margin, as it just doesn't feel like what I'd imagine the soul of SUPERMAN to feel like. Neither does it make me know him or want to get to know him or to know the burden a character like him should feel or the hope that he'd give to us more normal folks and that is a real misfire for me. These are all things that I would also associate with his work on BATMAN, as he only shows us what we on see on the screen and then punches it up a 100 notches or so.
As a musical listening experience, devoid of it being attached to the film, like BATMAN, it is one hell of a ride and for that I certainly enjoy the music. It just doesn't say SUPERMAN, but if you're looking for that, then you'll just need to go put Williams' scores, as they quite literally say that and much more.
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looking forward to Bernard Cumberbach as Dr. Janice Lister!
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