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 Posted:   Dec 19, 2017 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Here's the make-up of the end credits (OST track)

0:00-1:05 (1:05) = final scene of the movie
1:05-1:50 (0:45) = '77 end credits opening
1:50-2:40 (0:50) = Rose's Theme
2:40-2:56 (0:16) = Leia's Theme on piano
2:56-3:44 (0:48) = new Luke/Rey/Island Theme

3:44-4:40 (0:56) = a section of "The Battle of Crait" (includes material not in the OST track)
4:40-5:33 (0:53) = Yoda's Theme
5:33-6:25 (0:52) = a section of "Holdo's Sacrifice" (unreleased film cue, chronologically this goes between "A New Alliance" and "Chrome Dome" if you want to edit it out and put it there)
6:25-7:27 (1:02) = a section of "The Battle of Crait" (includes material not in the OST track)
7:27-End (1:01) = Rey's theme ending



Here's the make-up of the end credits (in the film)

0:00-0:58 (0:58) = final scene of the movie
0:58-1:44 (0:46) = '77 end credits opening
1:44-2:34 (0:50) = Rose's Theme
2:34-2:49 (0:15) = Leia's Theme on piano
2:49-3:59 (1:10) = new Luke/Rey/Island Theme

3:59-5:15 (1:16) = a section of "The Rebellion is Reborn"
5:15-8:08 (2:53) = a section of "The Battle of Crait" (includes material not in the OST track)
8:08-End (1:01) = Rey's theme ending

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2017 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   Expat@22   (Member)

Back to the music. I think this surpasses The Force Awakens. It just has more of a fleshed out presence for me. What I wonder about is the acoustics and orchestra. This has a richer, more expansive sound than TFA - approaching the sound quality of those Abbey Road LSO recordings from the Prequels.

I agree. Extra kudos to the orchestrators I think smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2017 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

The funny thing is: after TFA many fans complained that it was all a rehash of the original trilogy.

Now these fans complain that it is not a rehash.


I see a lot of this specious logic all over the internet. "You can't complain about this taking risks after you complained about the last one being safe" is small-minded bullshit. Of course you can. The failure is that both films failed to find the middle ground between familiar and new. Instead we have one that's so safe its sterile and another thats weird for the sake of breaking established material. Both are equally vapid, just on opposite ends of the scale.


I didn´t mean to state that one cannot complain because of this. I just think that the filmmakers can´t win because a certain part of the audience comes filled with expectations - and when these are not met they are doomed.

I disagree with your assessment of both films but I respect your opinion and anybody else´s, of course. Personally, I would have preferred an Episode VII in which Luke, Leia and Han had appeared together. But I enjoyed the two new films nevertheless. Just like the two new scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2017 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Just saw the movie...and..just like SW VII...its for the new kids on the blocks I guess...all the 8-12 year old kids.
For me ..I was 8 years old when I watched the first one in the theatre...its just a repetitive try to ( re ) tell a story that had it´s true end with RETURN OF THE JEDI.
Its like you tell a fairy tale after "...and they lived happily ever after...",nothing will follow.Just the same ole´ song.
This Episode VIII one, on top, had so many plot holes..amazing such a treatment was being green lighted.
Well..the music.
John Williams ..as always ,delivers..but even the music seems to me that ( just speaking from may perspective of being 48 ) every note has been written already.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2017 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

The term "plot hole" is thrown around so often these days when the correct term is "eliptical narrative", leaving things out that you don´t need to see in order to connect sequences.

A real plot hole is a missing part of the narrative that is deliberately left out because no solution could be found to connect sequences in a logical manner.

Now, I´m not saying THE LAST JEDI did not have any plot holes. But I would be interested in finding out which plot holes you detected.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2017 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   tranders65   (Member)

Just saw the movie...and..just like SW VII...its for the new kids on the blocks I guess...all the 8-12 year old kids.
For me ..I was 8 years old when I watched the first one in the theatre...its just a repetitive try to ( re ) tell a story that had it´s true end with RETURN OF THE JEDI.
Its like you tell a fairy tale after "...and they lived happily ever after...",nothing will follow.Just the same ole´ song.
This Episode VIII one, on top, had so many plot holes..amazing such a treatment was being green lighted.
Well..the music.
John Williams ..as always ,delivers..but even the music seems to me that ( just speaking from may perspective of being 48 ) every note has been written already.


Got you beat - I'm 52 (saw the original when I was 11 at the Franklin Cinemas in metro Atlanta on an awesome Saturday afternoon in July '77) and while I hope the new kids on the block ARE enjoying these, I loved it, too. smile Sure, I've got lots of nitpicky feelings (Finn/Rose plot ultimately felt unneccesary and it was about 15-20 minutes too long), but those weren't enough to make me not enjoy it immensely. I've connected with these new movies much more than the glossy prequels. Sure, lots of repeating elements throughout all of the movies, but ultimately I just have been able to sit back, introduce them to my kids (who are all either grown now or getting there), and watch them embrace them, too. It's been a fun ride.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2017 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   Expat@22   (Member)

The funny thing is: after TFA many fans complained that it was all a rehash of the original trilogy.

Now these fans complain that it is not a rehash.


I see a lot of this specious logic all over the internet. "You can't complain about this taking risks after you complained about the last one being safe" is small-minded bullshit. Of course you can. The failure is that both films failed to find the middle ground between familiar and new. Instead we have one that's so safe its sterile and another thats weird for the sake of breaking established material. Both are equally vapid, just on opposite ends of the scale.


I didn´t mean to state that one cannot complain because of this. I just think that the filmmakers can´t win because a certain part of the audience comes filled with expectations - and when these are not met they are doomed. [snip]


Just a few observations of mine.

I quite liked TFA. Partly because it seemed to me to have the Lucas 'look' of his previous films in the series and it also had a good stab at setting up a narrative arc for the new characters that incorporated the main characters from the originals. I was not happy with the structure of the film because it seemed to me to be a slight rehash of A New Hope. But that is a minor quibble.

If I assume TLJ is meant to be part of a trilogy then I would think it could be reasonably argued that people who followed the 1st chapter of the story arc of the trilogy, as in TFA, would be entitled to expect the various plot lines and characters in TLJ to have resonance or coherence with those characters established previously, unless TLJ had established otherwise, which I feel it failed to do in any meaningful way. And I found what also added to that disconnect was the score.

Williams score is excellent but the inclusion of themes from previous films of the OT and TFA created a further musical context that seemed to me to reinforce the expectation that TLJ would carry on with the established characters and plot lines as we understood them.

 
 Posted:   Dec 21, 2017 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Here's JWFan's review, for those interested

http://www.jwfan.com/?p=10375

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2017 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   Michaelware   (Member)

I loved the mix in the film- loud and spectacular, in fact I've never heard Williams sound this good before.
The score to me anyway- eh. lol. Some things I loved, the Fathiers cue, and the thrilling scale of the very contemporary classical idiom. It is so refreshing when we mostly get non-music and pavlov noises in movies now.
Otherwise, more rehash cues and leitmotifs, more Star warsyness. It's getting to be another Harry Potter series. Hope JW does the next one.

Not a big fan of the movie or Luke's lame new appeasement, poof I'm out! ideology.

It was ok. Just too Harry Potter ish.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

If you live in the United States, you can now get an isolated score track of the film via Movies Anywhere if you purchase the film digitally for $20.

https://moviesanywhere.com/movie/star-wars-the-last-jedi

So that would be the exact music heard in the final cut of the film, with any edits, loops, or tracking done there.

If you are on a computer it will only play as a 96kbps AAC file, but on an HDCP-compliant device like an Amazon Fire box/stick, Roku box/stick, Apple TV, smart TV, PS4, XBoxOne, etc etc etc you should get a higher quality version in whatever format is normally used on that device (probably Dolby Digital).

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Pretty cool. Some enterprising soul uploaded some of the cues to YouTube already and the music sounds good (the audio does not, of course). You could make an actually decent album out of these cues if you swapped out some of Williams' choices.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Do you mean the complete score as heard in the film? Does it have volume drops?

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

Pretty cool. Some enterprising soul uploaded some of the cues to YouTube already and the music sounds good (the audio does not, of course). You could make an actually decent album out of these cues if you swapped out some of Williams' choices.

I think it is all up now. Score sounds far better now.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

Do you mean the complete score as heard in the film? Does it have volume drops?

Yes to both. Think of the Ultimate Edition of the Phantom Menace without the chopping editing.


 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)


So that would be the exact music heard in the final cut of the film, with any edits, loops, or tracking done there.


Do you mean the complete score as heard in the film?


Hmm, I thought I was clear about that....




Does it have volume drops?


I haven't listened yet but its apparently not too bad, and of course easily corrected.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Drew C.   (Member)

If you live in the United States, you can now get an isolated score track of the film via Movies Anywhere if you purchase the film digitally for $20.

https://moviesanywhere.com/movie/star-wars-the-last-jedi

So that would be the exact music heard in the final cut of the film, with any edits, loops, or tracking done there.

If you are on a computer it will only play as a 96kbps AAC file, but on an HDCP-compliant device like an Amazon Fire box/stick, Roku box/stick, Apple TV, smart TV, PS4, XBoxOne, etc etc etc you should get a higher quality version in whatever format is normally used on that device (probably Dolby Digital).


I'm hearing from JWFan that you can only access the isolated score on Movies Anywhere and that other devices with your Amazon account will not have it. Can anyone confirm?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

What another marketing cluster mess. You gotta be a detective to get what you want nowadays.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

It's an exclusive feature for Movies Anywhere. Exclusive.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 1:45 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Well, MoviesAnywhere is a replacement for what used to be DisneyMoviesAnywhere.com, so it makes sense that Disney would incentivize people to use the platform.

Outside of our small corner though, this won't be a driving factor in sales.

 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2018 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I'm hearing from JWFan that you can only access the isolated score on Movies Anywhere and that other devices with your Amazon account will not have it. Can anyone confirm?

The special feature is only available on Movies Anywhere. However, if you purchase(d) the movie on iTunes, Amazon, Vudu, Fandango, or Google Play, (or if you redeem the digital copy that comes with the Blu-ray), you will have access on Movies Anywhere. You just need to make a free Movies Anywhere account and link your digital copy's retailer account.

Movies Anywhere has apps for most devices - Amazon sticks/boxes, Roku, Apple TV, smart TVs, iPads, Kindles, tablets etc. So if you're streaming from Amazon, you can stream Movies Anywhere.

 
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