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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Ron Jones Project
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2010 - 6:04 PM   
 By:   catboy19   (Member)

Oooooh perhaps I will get mine tomorrow!!

I dunt wanna wait til Monday! I will be too anxious to sleep on Sunday waiting for it please usps mail do not let that happen!

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2010 - 6:39 PM   
 By:   Trekfan   (Member)

Moonie - thanks for the pic! What did Ron write underneath his signature? I can't make it out...

I got my autographed Ron Jones copy as well, and the signature is as Moonie's - under his name, it's basically a slightly stylized musical treble clef and line/underline. It looks nice!

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2010 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)


My only regret is that I'm now so old that I can't have this music on and play with Star Trek figures anymore frown


Oh sure you can, just make sure no one is in the same room, hehe.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2010 - 8:20 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Listening to some of these episodes from the earlier TNG series, I hadn't realized how much synth was used for them.

I'm currently listening to "Where Silence Has Lease". It sounds kinda creepy yet cool, would almost make for a good Halloween type score. It's also a very good episode and the music fit the entire episode perfectly.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2010 - 9:43 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Hate to triple post here...but I noticed something while listening to the material for "The Best Of Both Worlds" and watching the episode on Youtube. Maybe Lukas or perhaps Neil can shed some light on this a bit better.

The scene for when Shelby gave her report to Riker confirming it was the Borg towards the beginning of Part 1, I hear a stinger that's not with the set. Then again it could be tracked / pitched material, it's the piece that plays before "Preparations".

Second piece that doesn't seem to be there is the music that plays before "Hansen's Message". All though I suspect again it could just be tracked / pitched material.

Third piece of music I don't seem to recognize is after when Shelby tells Riker, "If you can't make the big decisions commander, I suggest you make room from someone who can".

Fourth piece is right after the Main Titles for Part 2 and Riker is recording his personal log about the Borg ship resuming its course towards Earth and they're unable to pursue pending repairs to the Enterprise.

I think though, most of the material might be tracked or pitched. I saw on IMDB that John Debney was conductor so I kind of wonder if he did a couple of stinger cues for the score. Or another thing I just thought of, I wonder if they had tracked material from his "Q Who?" score since a lot of parts sounded the same.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2010 - 11:25 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Do remember (or read the online notes that explain this) that FSM was only allowed to add 5 minutes of BOBW to the set. So assumedly there's still some unreleased bits.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2010 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Hate to triple post here...but I noticed something while listening to the material for "The Best Of Both Worlds" and watching the episode on Youtube. Maybe Lukas or perhaps Neil can shed some light on this a bit better.

The scene for when Shelby gave her report to Riker confirming it was the Borg towards the beginning of Part 1, I hear a stinger that's not with the set. Then again it could be tracked / pitched material, it's the piece that plays before "Preparations".

Second piece that doesn't seem to be there is the music that plays before "Hansen's Message". All though I suspect again it could just be tracked / pitched material.

Third piece of music I don't seem to recognize is after when Shelby tells Riker, "If you can't make the big decisions commander, I suggest you make room from someone who can".

Fourth piece is right after the Main Titles for Part 2 and Riker is recording his personal log about the Borg ship resuming its course towards Earth and they're unable to pursue pending repairs to the Enterprise.

I think though, most of the material might be tracked or pitched. I saw on IMDB that John Debney was conductor so I kind of wonder if he did a couple of stinger cues for the score. Or another thing I just thought of, I wonder if they had tracked material from his "Q Who?" score since a lot of parts sounded the same.


IMDB can be wrong now and then and in all my years of reading about TNG and its music, interviews, even talking with Ron Jones myself, I have never heard that John Debney conducted any of Jones' scores. It would have been notated in the original GNP Crescendo album and in the notes for this set if he did. Jones conducted all of his own TNG scores, so I think whoever added that note to IMDB was confused by the fact that Debney scored a 7th season episode of TNG, called "The Pegasus".

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2010 - 11:35 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Do remember (or read the online notes that explain this) that FSM was only allowed to add 5 minutes of BOBW to the set. So assumedly there's still some unreleased bits.

This set is complete in every other way with Jones' scores, though, and since they could only not include tracks on the GNP album, why would FSM still decide to leave off a few cues from "BOBW"? And besides, are you really missing that much, musically speaking, by not having a 7 second stinger? Seriously?

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2010 - 11:41 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)


DISC 4 “SKIN OF EVIL” (13:54)
1. “Crossing Zed Lapis”/Sure Thing/Crash Landing/Lost Contact” (3:00)
4. “Trouble On Vagra II/Yar is Down” (4:19)
12. “Tasha’s Goodbye” (6:35)

S E A S O N T W O---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DISC 6 “Q WHO?” (6:37)
35. “Attacked/Stay” (2:35)
38. “Out of Your League/Let’s Get Out of Here” (4:02)

DISC 7 “THE EMISSARY” (3:54)
18. “Exercise Program” (3:54)

“SHADES OF GRAY” (7:03)
33. “Critical Condition/Shades of Conflict/Final Intensities” (7:03)


S E A S O N T H R E E----------------------------------------------------------------------------

DISC 12 “THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS” (5:00)
35. “Early Worm” (1:08)
36. “Preparations (0:24)
37. “Contemplations (0:49)
38. “Repairs Complete” (0:20)
39. “Currents” (0:56)
40. “Sitting Ducks/Borg Reach Saturn” (1:08)





But rickO, it is certainly a ton of music and I totally understand wanting to narrow down to favorites, but in your selected track tracks from "Skin of Evil" you don't have any that feature the wicked synth theme for Armus - it's too cool to omit! And in your "Q-Who" tracks, no room for the spooky early cues when the Borg drone appears on the ship? And from season three, you made room for the just short transitional "BOBW" cues, but none of the awesome action tracks from "The High Ground"? You gotta make time for more than 80 minutes! smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2010 - 12:24 AM   
 By:   Natrebo   (Member)

For the autographed booklets... does anyone think that under his name is the Klingon version of his name? Just a thought cause it looked that way to me... anyone KNOW Klingon here?

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2010 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   Trekfan   (Member)

For the autographed booklets... does anyone think that under his name is the Klingon version of his name? Just a thought cause it looked that way to me... anyone KNOW Klingon here?

I don't know - as I wrote a few posts above, I immediately recognized it on my autographed copy as just a stylized representation of a treble clef in music, and it's quite similar (though a little different) to the one pictured above.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2010 - 6:22 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


This set is complete in every other way with Jones' scores, though, and since they could only not include tracks on the GNP album, why would FSM still decide to leave off a few cues from "BOBW"?


They didn't 'decide to'. As I said, read the notes: "This pre-existing album contractually limited FSM to releasing no more than five minutes of music recorded for the “The Best of Both Worlds,” whether previously released or not."

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2010 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)


DISC 4 “SKIN OF EVIL” (13:54)
1. “Crossing Zed Lapis”/Sure Thing/Crash Landing/Lost Contact” (3:00)
4. “Trouble On Vagra II/Yar is Down” (4:19)
12. “Tasha’s Goodbye” (6:35)

S E A S O N T W O---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DISC 6 “Q WHO?” (6:37)
35. “Attacked/Stay” (2:35)
38. “Out of Your League/Let’s Get Out of Here” (4:02)

DISC 7 “THE EMISSARY” (3:54)
18. “Exercise Program” (3:54)

“SHADES OF GRAY” (7:03)
33. “Critical Condition/Shades of Conflict/Final Intensities” (7:03)


S E A S O N T H R E E----------------------------------------------------------------------------

DISC 12 “THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS” (5:00)
35. “Early Worm” (1:08)
36. “Preparations (0:24)
37. “Contemplations (0:49)
38. “Repairs Complete” (0:20)
39. “Currents” (0:56)
40. “Sitting Ducks/Borg Reach Saturn” (1:08)





But rickO, it is certainly a ton of music and I totally understand wanting to narrow down to favorites, but in your selected track tracks from "Skin of Evil" you don't have any that feature the wicked synth theme for Armus - it's too cool to omit! And in your "Q-Who" tracks, no room for the spooky early cues when the Borg drone appears on the ship? And from season three, you made room for the just short transitional "BOBW" cues, but none of the awesome action tracks from "The High Ground"? You gotta make time for more than 80 minutes! smile


Yeah, I should flesh this out a bit more. Maybe I could become a record producer.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2010 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I just got this from the post office today and I'm only now starting to listen to it, but "The Naked Now" already had me hooked!!! I was surprised at how at home much of that particular score would be in the original series.

I am marveling at the sense of adventure that Jones brings to the proceedings of these first to episodes. Yes, he is referencing the familiar Goldsmith and Courage themes, sometimes with some very Sol Kaplan/Fred Steiner-esque twists, but it's all in a voice very distinctly Jones, as I recognize from "The Best of Both Worlds" and the Ron Jones disc in the Blue Box, which was a very, very pleasant surprise for me.

At the risk of sounding greedy (although I do admittedly have ravenous musical appetites), does the relationship with Mr. Jones that FSM has mean that we might someday hear some more Ron Jones music from other projects as well? Either way, bravo on this production. It may have been a gargantuan undertaking, but judging from what I've heard so far the effort was totally worthwhile.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2010 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

I have always thought the theme that Ron Jones came up with for the Romulans in TNG was the best theme for them. Sounded very dark and threatening just like how the Romulans were. After Ron Jones' departure from the series his particular theme for them was never heard again, which in my opinion is such a shame.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2010 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   antipodean   (Member)

I don't know - as I wrote a few posts above, I immediately recognized it on my autographed copy as just a stylized representation of a treble clef in music, and it's quite similar (though a little different) to the one pictured above.

If anything, a treble clef bears closer resemblance to the written Vulcan language than Klingon (which doesn't even come close):

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2010 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

Got through disc 1 tonight...VERY enjoyable.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2010 - 9:09 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Thanks to the Ron Jones signing at Dark Delicacies last month, I've been able to enjoy this set for several weeks. If I limit the discussion to just the first season for starters, the standout scores for me are "Where No One Has Gone Before", "Datalore", "11001001", "Heart of Glory", "Skin of Evil" and "We'll Always Have Paris". Each of these feature one or more new memorable themes and they receive marvelous variations throughout, while also each references Courage and Goldsmith thematic material.

I love the synth element in all Jones' TNG scores, but it was especially heavy during these first season scores, both in solo fashion and in an accompanying manner not unlike Goldsmith's music for "Innerspace", "Extreme Prejudice" and "Explorers". "Datalore", "11001001" and "We'll Always Have Paris" feature some of my favorite synth moments, in wondrous, major modes, moody tones and kinetic, punchy action bits.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2010 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Wedge Antilles   (Member)

I am new to this community, but I must give a big thank you to whomever is responsible for this project. I received my copy last Friday and have been listening to it constantly. Besides being great music, it takes me back to an important part of my life, and for that I am grateful. OUTSTANDING WORK.

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2010 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


Thanks Wedge! Now you worry about those fighters, I'll worry about the tower.

Lukas

 
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