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Jim Bailey
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MV has explicitly told us that is not the case. Some Golden Age titles have had very disappointing sales, yes, such as Newman's A Certain Smile (though he said sales picked up greatly after it was promoted by some of us on this board, especially upon being discounted). It sounds like their recent Carmen Dragon release similarly tanked, at least initially -- I'm interested to see if the vinyl version sells a lot better.
BUT other Golden Age titles of theirs have sold extremely well, some of them even completely selling out (which doesn't even happen all that often for their more modern score releases). They've had particular success with Tiomkin IIRC, and Newman was redeemed with very brisk sales for The Robe.
Yavar
Yavar, I consider you a very learned man. I am sure your reply has a great deal of merit. Let me ask you this: Why aren't the Lalaland releases more balanced between the old and the new as they are at Intrada ?
It's our company and we don't want to
MV
HAHA, way to tell him MV!
Although, I doubt it will stop the two perpetual crybabies from continuing to bug about when the next golden age cd will be released. Whatever.
Looking forward to The Monster Squad, Puppet Master and The Flash. Great stuff LLL, keep 'em coming!
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Oct 1, 2015 - 11:03 PM
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MV has explicitly told us that is not the case. Some Golden Age titles have had very disappointing sales, yes, such as Newman's A Certain Smile (though he said sales picked up greatly after it was promoted by some of us on this board, especially upon being discounted). It sounds like their recent Carmen Dragon release similarly tanked, at least initially -- I'm interested to see if the vinyl version sells a lot better.
BUT other Golden Age titles of theirs have sold extremely well, some of them even completely selling out (which doesn't even happen all that often for their more modern score releases). They've had particular success with Tiomkin IIRC, and Newman was redeemed with very brisk sales for The Robe.
Yavar
Yavar, I consider you a very learned man. I am sure your reply has a great deal of merit. Let me ask you this: Why aren't the Lalaland releases more balanced between the old and the new as they are at Intrada ?
It's our company and we don't want to
MV
HAHA, way to tell him MV!
Although, I doubt it will stop the two perpetual crybabies from continuing to bug about when the next golden age cd will be released. Whatever.
Looking forward to The Monster Squad, Puppet Master and The Flash. Great stuff LLL, keep 'em coming!
Yes, you keep'em coming, MV. It brings in what a company like yours needs most. MONEY !
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Oct 2, 2015 - 10:41 AM
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PFK
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MV has explicitly told us that is not the case. Some Golden Age titles have had very disappointing sales, yes, such as Newman's A Certain Smile (though he said sales picked up greatly after it was promoted by some of us on this board, especially upon being discounted). It sounds like their recent Carmen Dragon release similarly tanked, at least initially -- I'm interested to see if the vinyl version sells a lot better.
BUT other Golden Age titles of theirs have sold extremely well, some of them even completely selling out (which doesn't even happen all that often for their more modern score releases). They've had particular success with Tiomkin IIRC, and Newman was redeemed with very brisk sales for The Robe.
Yavar
Yavar, I consider you a very learned man. I am sure your reply has a great deal of merit. Let me ask you this: Why aren't the Lalaland releases more balanced between the old and the new as they are at Intrada ?
It's our company and we don't want to
MV
HAHA, way to tell him MV!
Although, I doubt it will stop the two perpetual crybabies from continuing to bug about when the next golden age cd will be released. Whatever.
Looking forward to The Monster Squad, Puppet Master and The Flash. Great stuff LLL, keep 'em coming!
Crying? Who's crying? 
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MV has explicitly told us that is not the case. Some Golden Age titles have had very disappointing sales, yes, such as Newman's A Certain Smile (though he said sales picked up greatly after it was promoted by some of us on this board, especially upon being discounted). It sounds like their recent Carmen Dragon release similarly tanked, at least initially -- I'm interested to see if the vinyl version sells a lot better.
BUT other Golden Age titles of theirs have sold extremely well, some of them even completely selling out (which doesn't even happen all that often for their more modern score releases). They've had particular success with Tiomkin IIRC, and Newman was redeemed with very brisk sales for The Robe.
Yavar
Yavar, I consider you a very learned man. I am sure your reply has a great deal of merit. Let me ask you this: Why aren't the Lalaland releases more balanced between the old and the new as they are at Intrada ?
It's our company and we don't want to
MV
HAHA, way to tell him MV!
Although, I doubt it will stop the two perpetual crybabies from continuing to bug about when the next golden age cd will be released. Whatever.
Looking forward to The Monster Squad, Puppet Master and The Flash. Great stuff LLL, keep 'em coming!
Yes, you keep'em coming, MV. It brings in what a company like yours needs most. MONEY !
Well, we are company that employs around 2 dozen people at any given time. Of course we need money and products that sell. Not all newer titles sell, but they are usually not as costly as older titles. It's simple economics. We also tend to choose titles that we, ourselves, would like to see released. Our tastes differ from yours. We would rather see a Richard Band score out than a Hugo Friedhofer. Will Richard sell more than Hugo? Maybe...maybe not. We do know that nowadays a score by Richard appeals to more folks outside of the film score realm than a Hugo Friedhofer. Horror is it's own market so that translates into more sales. Also, with a newer score there are less charges in transferring fees and less money that goes into restoration.
Let's say we do a GA score that costs us $12k all in and we sell 700 units at an average price of $15. We don't make our money back. We lose money.
On the other hand, we do a 80's score that costs us around $8k to produce and we sell 700 units at an average price of $15. Now we are in profit...it's a little profit, but its a profit.
Matt and I are check signers for the most part hiring some of the best folks in the industry to produce our albums, write the notes, do the artwork...all of which cost money. And that's just on the "producing" side of things. We also have advances, royalties, publishing, union fees, sometimes artwork licensing fees to concern ourselves with (not too mention plush offices containing silk tapestries and rich mahogany furniture that can only be taken care of with the finest oils found in the furthest reaches of Tibet). And when we do a sublicense through a third party record company -- YOWZA, does the budget escalate fiercely!
So, yes we do need money for our company and we have found in the past 13 years of producing nearly 400 soundtracks newer titles and those that comes from 1975 to 1995 tend to outsell titles from the Golden Age.
MV
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Oct 2, 2015 - 11:34 AM
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PFK
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MV has explicitly told us that is not the case. Some Golden Age titles have had very disappointing sales, yes, such as Newman's A Certain Smile (though he said sales picked up greatly after it was promoted by some of us on this board, especially upon being discounted). It sounds like their recent Carmen Dragon release similarly tanked, at least initially -- I'm interested to see if the vinyl version sells a lot better.
BUT other Golden Age titles of theirs have sold extremely well, some of them even completely selling out (which doesn't even happen all that often for their more modern score releases). They've had particular success with Tiomkin IIRC, and Newman was redeemed with very brisk sales for The Robe.
Yavar
Yavar, I consider you a very learned man. I am sure your reply has a great deal of merit. Let me ask you this: Why aren't the Lalaland releases more balanced between the old and the new as they are at Intrada ?
It's our company and we don't want to
MV
HAHA, way to tell him MV!
Although, I doubt it will stop the two perpetual crybabies from continuing to bug about when the next golden age cd will be released. Whatever.
Looking forward to The Monster Squad, Puppet Master and The Flash. Great stuff LLL, keep 'em coming!
Yes, you keep'em coming, MV. It brings in what a company like yours needs most. MONEY !
Well, we are company that employs around 2 dozen people at any given time. Of course we need money and products that sell. Not all newer titles sell, but they are usually not as costly as older titles. It's simple economics. We also tend to choose titles that we, ourselves, would like to see released. Our tastes differ from yours. We would rather see a Richard Band score out than a Hugo Friedhofer. Will Richard sell more than Hugo? Maybe...maybe not. We do know that nowadays a score by Richard appeals to more folks outside of the film score realm than a Hugo Friedhofer. Horror is it's own market so that translates into more sales. Also, with a newer score there are less charges in transferring fees and less money that goes into restoration.
Let's say we do a GA score that costs us $12k all in and we sell 700 units at an average price of $15. We don't make our money back. We lose money.
On the other hand, we do a 80's score that costs us around $8k to produce and we sell 700 units at an average price of $15. Now we are in profit...it's a little profit, but its a profit.
Matt and I are check signers for the most part hiring some of the best folks in the industry to produce our albums, write the notes, do the artwork...all of which cost money. And that's just on the "producing" side of things. We also have advances, royalties, publishing, union fees, sometimes artwork licensing fees to concern ourselves with (not too mention plush offices containing silk tapestries and rich mahogany furniture that can only be taken care of with the finest oils found in the furthest reaches of Tibet). And when we do a sublicense through a third party record company -- YOWZA, does the budget escalate fiercely!
So, yes we do need money for our company and we have found in the past 13 years of producing nearly 400 soundtracks newer titles and those that comes from 1975 to 1995 tend to outsell titles from the Golden Age.
MV
Thanks for the information MV. I appreciate all the Golden Age CDs you have issued and I have them all. SHANE is my favorite. Please try to issue future Golden Age titles best you can.
Thanks!
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MV has explicitly told us that is not the case. Some Golden Age titles have had very disappointing sales, yes, such as Newman's A Certain Smile (though he said sales picked up greatly after it was promoted by some of us on this board, especially upon being discounted). It sounds like their recent Carmen Dragon release similarly tanked, at least initially -- I'm interested to see if the vinyl version sells a lot better.
BUT other Golden Age titles of theirs have sold extremely well, some of them even completely selling out (which doesn't even happen all that often for their more modern score releases). They've had particular success with Tiomkin IIRC, and Newman was redeemed with very brisk sales for The Robe.
Yavar
Yavar, I consider you a very learned man. I am sure your reply has a great deal of merit. Let me ask you this: Why aren't the Lalaland releases more balanced between the old and the new as they are at Intrada ?
It's our company and we don't want to
MV
HAHA, way to tell him MV!
Although, I doubt it will stop the two perpetual crybabies from continuing to bug about when the next golden age cd will be released. Whatever.
Looking forward to The Monster Squad, Puppet Master and The Flash. Great stuff LLL, keep 'em coming!
Yes, you keep'em coming, MV. It brings in what a company like yours needs most. MONEY !
Well, we are company that employs around 2 dozen people at any given time. Of course we need money and products that sell. Not all newer titles sell, but they are usually not as costly as older titles. It's simple economics. We also tend to choose titles that we, ourselves, would like to see released. Our tastes differ from yours. We would rather see a Richard Band score out than a Hugo Friedhofer. Will Richard sell more than Hugo? Maybe...maybe not. We do know that nowadays a score by Richard appeals to more folks outside of the film score realm than a Hugo Friedhofer. Horror is it's own market so that translates into more sales. Also, with a newer score there are less charges in transferring fees and less money that goes into restoration.
Let's say we do a GA score that costs us $12k all in and we sell 700 units at an average price of $15. We don't make our money back. We lose money.
On the other hand, we do a 80's score that costs us around $8k to produce and we sell 700 units at an average price of $15. Now we are in profit...it's a little profit, but its a profit.
Matt and I are check signers for the most part hiring some of the best folks in the industry to produce our albums, write the notes, do the artwork...all of which cost money. And that's just on the "producing" side of things. We also have advances, royalties, publishing, union fees, sometimes artwork licensing fees to concern ourselves with (not too mention plush offices containing silk tapestries and rich mahogany furniture that can only be taken care of with the finest oils found in the furthest reaches of Tibet). And when we do a sublicense through a third party record company -- YOWZA, does the budget escalate fiercely!
So, yes we do need money for our company and we have found in the past 13 years of producing nearly 400 soundtracks newer titles and those that comes from 1975 to 1995 tend to outsell titles from the Golden Age.
MV
Thanks for the information MV. I appreciate all the Golden Age CDs you have issued and I have them all. SHANE is my favorite. Please try to issue future Golden Age titles best you can.
Thanks!
We certainly have a few in the works. We hope to have that WB title out in time for our Black Friday announcement
MV
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Thanks for the behind the scenes info.
Ever think about selling t-shirts?
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Oct 2, 2015 - 2:55 PM
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PFK
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MV has explicitly told us that is not the case. Some Golden Age titles have had very disappointing sales, yes, such as Newman's A Certain Smile (though he said sales picked up greatly after it was promoted by some of us on this board, especially upon being discounted). It sounds like their recent Carmen Dragon release similarly tanked, at least initially -- I'm interested to see if the vinyl version sells a lot better.
BUT other Golden Age titles of theirs have sold extremely well, some of them even completely selling out (which doesn't even happen all that often for their more modern score releases). They've had particular success with Tiomkin IIRC, and Newman was redeemed with very brisk sales for The Robe.
Yavar
Yavar, I consider you a very learned man. I am sure your reply has a great deal of merit. Let me ask you this: Why aren't the Lalaland releases more balanced between the old and the new as they are at Intrada ?
It's our company and we don't want to
MV
HAHA, way to tell him MV!
Although, I doubt it will stop the two perpetual crybabies from continuing to bug about when the next golden age cd will be released. Whatever.
Looking forward to The Monster Squad, Puppet Master and The Flash. Great stuff LLL, keep 'em coming!
Yes, you keep'em coming, MV. It brings in what a company like yours needs most. MONEY !
Well, we are company that employs around 2 dozen people at any given time. Of course we need money and products that sell. Not all newer titles sell, but they are usually not as costly as older titles. It's simple economics. We also tend to choose titles that we, ourselves, would like to see released. Our tastes differ from yours. We would rather see a Richard Band score out than a Hugo Friedhofer. Will Richard sell more than Hugo? Maybe...maybe not. We do know that nowadays a score by Richard appeals to more folks outside of the film score realm than a Hugo Friedhofer. Horror is it's own market so that translates into more sales. Also, with a newer score there are less charges in transferring fees and less money that goes into restoration.
Let's say we do a GA score that costs us $12k all in and we sell 700 units at an average price of $15. We don't make our money back. We lose money.
On the other hand, we do a 80's score that costs us around $8k to produce and we sell 700 units at an average price of $15. Now we are in profit...it's a little profit, but its a profit.
Matt and I are check signers for the most part hiring some of the best folks in the industry to produce our albums, write the notes, do the artwork...all of which cost money. And that's just on the "producing" side of things. We also have advances, royalties, publishing, union fees, sometimes artwork licensing fees to concern ourselves with (not too mention plush offices containing silk tapestries and rich mahogany furniture that can only be taken care of with the finest oils found in the furthest reaches of Tibet). And when we do a sublicense through a third party record company -- YOWZA, does the budget escalate fiercely!
So, yes we do need money for our company and we have found in the past 13 years of producing nearly 400 soundtracks newer titles and those that comes from 1975 to 1995 tend to outsell titles from the Golden Age.
MV
Thanks for the information MV. I appreciate all the Golden Age CDs you have issued and I have them all. SHANE is my favorite. Please try to issue future Golden Age titles best you can.
Thanks!
We certainly have a few in the works. We hope to have that WB title out in time for our Black Friday announcement
MV
Thanks MV!
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(not too mention plush offices containing silk tapestries and rich mahogany furniture that can only be taken care of with the finest oils found in the furthest reaches of Tibet).
I think I've found the flaw in your budget. The Yucatan has oil of twice the quality and half the expense. Tibet's mahogany oil industry is a scam perpetuated by the unwashed enlightened, worse than the penis enlargement cartel of various Nigerian princes.
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Don't suppose there's any plans to reprint the first X-FILES box? I'm about to start marathon-ing the series and I suspect I will end up regretting not buying that...
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1975 to 1995 are the golden years.
Agreed!
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Hey PFK, what've you got against the (over) two decades of film music written before 1930? Lots of good stuff there!
Yavar
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