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 Posted:   Aug 12, 2018 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I always enjoy these podcasts. Nice to have John Takis join in with the 3 of you.

While listening to the scores from these two Twilight Zone episodes, I kept marveling at some of the musical instruments Goldsmith employed because I have heard them in his various westerns. However, these instruments fit into non-western dramas.

Also, I was amazed at how his music could actually paint a picture. An example was the music used when Helen was struggling to remember what happened when she was a small child. It is like his music actually portrays her brain's struggle for recall. Very skillful.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2018 - 1:57 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

I always enjoy these podcasts. Nice to have John Takis join in with the 3 of you.

While listening to the scores from these two Twilight Zone episodes, I kept marveling at some of the musical instruments Goldsmith employed because I have heard them in his various westerns. However, these instruments fit into non-western dramas.

Also, I was amazed at how his music could actually paint a picture. An example was the music used when Helen was struggling to remember what happened when she was a small child. It is like his music actually portrays her brain's struggle for recall. Very skillful.


What's your favourite TZ score from that episode 10?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2018 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Wasn't in love with the music in either TZ, but I liked Nightmare As A Child the best.

 
 Posted:   Aug 13, 2018 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

Also, I was amazed at how his music could actually paint a picture. An example was the music used when Helen was struggling to remember what happened when she was a small child. It is like his music actually portrays her brain's struggle for recall. Very skillful.

I completely agree! Jerry has a real gift for expressing a character’s thought processes and psychological state in the music. It happens so much, I actually have to stop myself from commenting on it sometimes, and then I wonder if I’m just applying the film context back to the music, and reading more into it than what’s musically there. That’s why it’s great to have someone else say that it’s apparent even without the images!

Dear Jens, I totally agree that the classic Dies Irae is slower. But look for example: Michale Daugherty transformed it to Tango rhythem in the last part of his Metropolis Symphony and John Williams used intentional the notes backwards in Black Sunday. I think the Dies Irae Motive can be used so flexible! I speculate that it´s deep anchored in the collective consciousness of classical trained composers (and musiclovers). It lurks around on nearly evry Corner!

You make great points, and I will absolutely concede it's not unlikely that Jerry was influenced by it for this particular score.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2018 - 10:23 PM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

The time is upon us.

Ladies and gentlemen, it's the review you've ALL been waiting for. The one, the only...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2018 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)


Episode 11 - Man on the Beach (1959) & The Fair-Haired Boy (1958)
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/779305-episode-11-man-on-the-beach-1959-the-fair-haired-boy-1958

Another episode, another special guest: Friend of the show and Goldsmith archivist extraordinaire W. David LICHTY joins your humble hosts Jens, Yavar, and Clark for an examination of “Saturday Night in Santa Monica”, the unaired television pilot for Man on the Beach, starring Gavin MacLeod as an eccentric private investigator. While gritting our teeth and playfully dissecting the pilot’s truly dreadful writing, directing, and acting, we also explore its jazzy, energetic Goldsmith score (which Goldsmith fans may know as “Jazz Theme #1” from various Twilight Zone albums). As a bonus, we also take a look at Goldsmith’s spare, jazz-tinged music written for the Studio One in Hollywood episode “The Fair-Haired Boy” (featured on the Twilight Zone albums as “Jazz Theme #2”). Grab your scuba gear and dive in!

Duration
01:40:26

The Work
The Twilight Zone: The 40th Anniversary Collection (CD) (at Discogs)

In Depth
Dan Hollis’ breakdown of Twilight Zone library cues (at Twilight Zone Cafe)
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/twilightzoneworfr/musical-cues-t4163.html

The Goldsmith Odyssey: All Episodes
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com

Contact The Goldsmith Odyssey
mail@goldsmithodyssey.com

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 2:52 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

I simply adore that episode 11 because of the minimalistic and atmospheric nature of the music—based on the ostinato technique—that is jazz crime-oriented in the vein of City of Fear and The Four of Us are Dying. I always connect these cues to the Film Noir/city atmosphere of The Twilight Zone. That reminds me Elmer Bernstein’s Johnnny Staccato.


Can you give the date for the next episode, please?

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

I simply adore that episode 11 because of the minimalistic and atmospheric nature of the music—based on the ostinato technique—that is jazz crime-oriented in the vein of City of Fear and The Four of Us are Dying. I always connect these cues to the Film Noir/city atmosphere of The Twilight Zone. That reminds me Elmer Bernstein’s Johnnny Staccato.

I agree. While I don't think it quite does everything it could as a score-to-picture, purely as a short suite of music, I enjoy it immensely.


Can you give the date for the next episode, please?


The CBS library music episode will be on September 20th, hopefully our final episode on the 3-week schedule. But it will be worth the wait! It will feature over 40 minutes of highly obscure Goldsmith.

Then we'll hopefully go back to shorter, more regular episodes.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

The CBS library music episode will be on September 20th, hopefully our final episode on the 3-week schedule. But it will be worth the wait! It will feature over 40 minutes of highly obscure Goldsmith.

Fine. Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Then we'll hopefully go back to shorter, more regular episodes.

I think it's optimistic to think that our first of three Gunsmoke podcasts is going to be a shorter episode. Sure there's not a *lot* of music to cover time-wise, but there are three 1960 episodes we're going to have to discuss. And then when we get to Have Gun - Will Travel two 'casts later, we're fitting in the Flaming Star finale as well with it (and maybe we can hopefully have some film discussion too). Studs Lonigan might be shorter, but if we get great material from our secret special guest, it could easily run long as well. And then back to more Twilight Zone (both eps so far were long, even the one without a special guest), to say nothing of Thriller?

We'll be going back to "more regular" episodes sure, but I think you're being a little naive Jens to think they'll be much shorter... wink We can hope though!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

You guys are literally never going to get out of TV land.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

You guys are literally never going to get out of TV land.

Studs Lonigan will definitely be one of the next two podcasts we record after today. But after that (aside from one cue from Flaming Star), you're kinda right -- we'll be stuck in TV land (Jerry's epic year of 1961) for 2/3 to 3/4 of a year, the longest by far that we will spend on any year of his output!

But it's fine because we're discovering that this is great stuff, worth covering. Hopefully our listeners will agree and stick with us through 1961, because we'll be moving much much faster after that.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

The fun effect of this will be that as soon as we escape 1961, it'll relatively seem like we're just blasting through the rest of the output. We'll be covering a decade as quickly as we covered a year before.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

True, and though some folks might be impatient for us to get to their favorite Goldsmith film scores, I think the discoveries during 1961 will be worth it. Thriller is what will "bog us down" the most by far, with Jerry scoring 16 episodes (taking us 8 podcasts)...but I don't think even that will be tedious, because there's quite a bit of variety among those scores just like Twilight Zone.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 8:05 PM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Don't forget the great score for Rawhide entitled “Incident in the Middle of Nowhere” (April 7, 1961).
It's a forerunner of Rio Conchos.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 10:25 PM   
 By:   LRobHubbard   (Member)

Just to be 'That Guy'... the cue of what you call "The Giant Killer" at 16 min in appears not to be from the episode "Escape Clause", but from one of the later season (1964) shows, "What's In The Box" - with Sterling Holloway, and William Demerest, whose voice is first heard in that clip.

Loving this Goldsmith deep dive; I'm in for the long haul, if you guys manage to make it all the way through.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2018 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

Just to be 'That Guy'... the cue of what you call "The Giant Killer" at 16 min in appears not to be from the episode "Escape Clause", but from one of the later season (1964) shows, "What's In The Box" - with Sterling Holloway, and William Demerest, whose voice is first heard in that clip.

You are 100% correct and thank you very much for pointing it out. I don't know how this embarrassing mix-up happened, since Sterling Holloway isn't even in Escape Clause. I wish I weren't at work so I could immediately append a correction to the podcast in the form of an insert, but alas I won't be able to do so until later tonight.

When sometime late tonight or early tomorrow morning, those of you who are subscribed get a fresh download of episode 11, this is why.

Loving this Goldsmith deep dive; I'm in for the long haul, if you guys manage to make it all the way through.

As long as we all remain alive and gainfully employed, I am confident about this.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2018 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

... "The Giant Killer" at 16 min in appears not to be from the episode "Escape Clause", but from one of the later season (1964) shows, "What's In The Box" . . . said LRobHubbard.

You are 100% correct and thank you very much for pointing it out. I don't know how this embarrassing mix-up happened, since Sterling Holloway isn't even in Escape Clause. I wish I weren't at work so I could immediately append a correction to the podcast in the form of an insert, but alas I won't be able to do so until later tonight . . . said Jens.


I know exactly how this happened - I did it! The cue The Giant Killer (it's actual name, by our sources! Very glad to have those.) is in both, and I cut the clips from each in order to find the best one through which to hear the piece. Both have a grouchy man, in his bathrobe, in his apartment being treated/tricked by a devil figure, a scene where someone goes out the window, and have a wicked sense of humor, but I know darn well that Escape Clause features Thomas Gomez! I know that episode too well to have made such a blunder, but I rushed through some of this prep, and led these three men astray, into the mire of my rank carelessness.

The only upside is that we will now get another comical Jens Sound Insert. I really enjoyed the last one.

Thanks for that catch! Really.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2018 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Don't forget the great score for Rawhide entitled “Incident in the Middle of Nowhere” (April 7, 1961).
It's a forerunner of Rio Conchos.


Oh, worry not. EVERYTHING commercially released is on our schedule, and most of the other stuff too. You'd have to be pretty obscure to not make it on The Goldsmith Odyssey... smile

I will warn you Rawhide is still about 10 episodes away though (chronologically before then we have a couple more Twilight Zone podcasts, a couple Gunsmoke podcasts, and the first three Thriller podcasts, among other things). But we already have a secret special guest lined up!

I like the Rawhide score a lot but I like "A Head of Hair" from Have Gun - Will Travel even better. We'll be doing Jerry's two scores for that series after Studs Lonigan.

If you want to know what we may NOT be covering on the Odyssey, but which we are somewhat sure Jerry worked on (we'd have to get them to confirm): http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=126818&forumID=2&archive=0

So the only TV western we know about but I fear we may be unable to cover is The Legend of Jesse James S1E26 "Things Just Don't Happen" -- somebody had a copy of that, somewhere, and confirmed Jerry's credit on the episode to Justin Boggan, but sadly Justin lost the person's contact info and couldn't figure out who it was. If anyone out there knows the whereabouts of this rare TV episode, or knows somebody who might know, please write us at mail@goldsmithodyssey.com. I've been able to find a few episodes of this show but not that one. At least we still have a couple years to keep searching for it...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2018 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

The CBS library music episode will be on September 20th, hopefully our final episode on the 3-week schedule. But it will be worth the wait! It will feature over 40 minutes of highly obscure Goldsmith.
Then we'll hopefully go back to shorter, more regular episodes.


I just wanted to give an update on this for (member) and anyone else who might care -- we did record our special CBS Music Library podcast, and we will still be dropping our next episode on the 20th and going back to the two week schedule afterwards. However, due to having so much content (both spoken, as well as many more cues than we have ever tried to squeeze into a podcast before), this was going to be a nearly three hour long installment! So we decided to take the unprecedented (for us) step of splitting this into two more manageable chunks for our listeners.

We do not think we will be doing this again in the future, but felt more free to do so in this case since this variety of "orphaned cues" material was not tied to a specific program. So on the 20th, you can look forward to us "closing the book" on the Prometheus Jerry Goldsmith: The Early Years Vol. 1 CD, as well as covering a few new substantial exclusive cues to whet folks' appetites. And two weeks later, we will feature the bulk of the unreleased (outside of TZ isolated scores and obscure LP releases) music, which David artfully arranged into suites. Thankfully we had a natural place to split this!

Yavar

 
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