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 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

For the Williams-devoted, I ask you what your opinion of this music is as a grand Sci-Fi score? Disregard the Superman connection and what have you to say? Of course, in your perspective nothing was going to top what the maestro brought to that beloved 1978 film -- a perfect score, in my opinion -- but what if this was a score for a brand new Science Fiction Fantasy film that you anticipated seeing? That's my viewpoint. I don't want this film or score to be anything like Donner's or Williams' contribution. I want it to stand on its own.

To me, it does. I feel bad for you if you feel your ears have been wrecked or your ultimate dreams raped. Perhaps a nice day in the sun will do you some good?


It's OK...still can't judge much without seeing the film, but it's OK...not remarkable, not awful...some of it quite enjoyable, rarely dreary...but all true judgement is off until I hear it in context with open mind.

Certainly a better listening experience that any of the Batman scores Zimmer contributed to.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

It's OK...still can't judge much without seeing the film, but it's OK...not remarkable, not awful...some of it quite enjoyable, rarely dreary...but all true judgement is off until I hear it in context with open mind.

That's very honorable! Almost unheard of for users of the FSM messages boards. I hope the music mix is great, but Snyder's films are batting 4 out of 4 in that technical department. Despite the quality of his films, his use of music is fantastic!

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

so, has anybody complained yet that a certain cue is 'missing ' from both versions?
wink
bruce

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

It's OK...still can't judge much without seeing the film, but it's OK...not remarkable, not awful...some of it quite enjoyable, rarely dreary...but all true judgement is off until I hear it in context with open mind.

That's very honorable! Almost unheard of for users of the FSM messages boards. I hope the music mix is great, but Snyder's films are batting 4 out of 4 in that technical department. Despite the quality of his films, his use of music is fantastic!


Well, not unheard of maybe wink ...but important to give these things a chance, eh? And to remember that their primary purpose is to be part of a whole. As I indicated earlier, the idea of a Zimmer "Superman" score makes my piss boil, but gotta give it the chance. As for Snyder's use of music and mixing in films, I don't agree with your "4 out of 4", but as always if we all had the same tastes it would be a boring world wink ....still immensely looking forward to Man of Steel, despite much trepidation.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   kingtolkien   (Member)

As far as the music on the film, I have to see it to judge it. The music itself is a decent Zimmer effort and better than the dark knight scores IMHO.
Quality music is not IMHO. I work a lot and I will give this score a second chance and a third in the film but if I don't like it... no problem. I have so much better music to listen to including the Williams Superman which I personally believe is the greatest superhero score ever. I just love symphonic music. Most Zimmer scores sound too simplistic in my ears. I can't help it. Just hope the film is really good. Superman is my favourite superhero and I am waiting for the youtube video that will have a really cool scene from the film with John Williams music. It will happen.
Of course most people will say that Zimmer's score is better than Williams. I am not reffering to people on this board. Most people here have really good taste.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   moviescore1   (Member)

Just finished listening to this on Spotify for the first time and I agree, it's a decent listening experience and some parts of it are great and very adrenaline pumping. The fact there was such a big drum ensemble used is cool, but honestly I don't hear a huge difference compared to TDK in the final mix. It still sounds very synthesized. I think in the film the score will work great and it makes me excited to see it this weekend. However, I kept thinking to myself when listening to this, how would John Powell have scored this if given the chance? HTTYD is one of my favorite new scores and the flight cues from that are spectacular. This is a new Superman and we definitely get a new sound and I would rate this as good, but not great. It will definitely get some heavy rotation in my playlist this week. Looking forward to hearing the deluxe edition tomorrow...

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

For this one I think I will just wait and see how it is in the movie before listening to it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Just finished listening to this on Spotify for the first time and I agree, it's a decent listening experience and some parts of it are great and very adrenaline pumping. The fact there was such a big drum ensemble used is cool, but honestly I don't hear a huge difference compared to TDK in the final mix. It still sounds very synthesized. I think in the film the score will work great and it makes me excited to see it this weekend. However, I kept thinking to myself when listening to this, how would John Powell have scored this if given the chance? HTTYD is one of my favorite new scores and the flight cues from that are spectacular. This is a new Superman and we definitely get a new sound and I would rate this as good, but not great. It will definitely get some heavy rotation in my playlist this week. Looking forward to hearing the deluxe edition tomorrow...

The trailer music gives me the same goosebumps as Powell's "Death & Transfiguration" cue from Hancock....so I hope for more like that.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

However, I kept thinking to myself when listening to this, how would John Powell have scored this if given the chance?

Well, if Powell was given full creative freedom it might sound more like X-Men 3. But most likely Snyder and Nolan would ask him for something more along the lines of United 93.

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

The trailer music gives me the same goosebumps as Powell's "Death & Transfiguration" cue from Hancock....so I hope for more like that.

Don't hold your breath.

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

I'm not Zimmer's number one fan but there's some good tracks here from what I'm hearing on the samples
Look To The Stars
Sent Here For a Reason
Goodbye My Son
This Is Clark Kent

have a moody, atmospheric feel to them which I like. The more bombastic tracks are not really to my taste but I've heard a lot worse.

I look forward to seeing how it all works in the film.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

So this is the score the Williams fans were bound to be disappointed in, the fans of Zimmer to be in anticipation over, and general soundtrack fans to have a grand curiosity in. As a member of all three seemingly harmonious groups I have greatly enjoyed my listens via the Spotify stream. I'm anxious to receive my deluxe edition discs tomorrow from Amazon, as the version via Spotify is simply an unremarkable compression. This will have been the first physical CD I've purchased since the wonderful soundtrack compilation that accompanied Shutter Island (also 2 discs in length!).
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For the Williams-devoted, I ask you what your opinion of this music is as a grand Sci-Fi score? Disregard the Superman connection and what have you to say? Of course, in your perspective nothing was going to top what the maestro brought to that beloved 1978 film -- a perfect score, in my opinion -- but what if this was a score for a brand new Science Fiction Fantasy film that you anticipated seeing? That's my viewpoint. I don't want this film or score to be anything like Donner's or Williams' contribution. I want it to stand on its own.


I share your enthusiasm for MoS. This also makes me wonder how many categories of Williams fans exist according to a "Zimmer scale". E.g.
1) talibans (throw Zimmer on a pyre)
2) uncompromising fans (love music but Zimmer since Zimmer is not music)
3) condescending fans (despise Zimmer but not too much)
4) open-minded (Zimmer is not that bad though Williams is unbeatable)
5) neutral (love Zimmer as much as Williams)
6) heretics (left Williams for the dark side of music, or just for new and more modern music dimension)

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

I share your enthusiasm for MoS. This also makes me wonder how many categories of Williams fans exist according to a "Zimmer scale". E.g.
1) talibans (throw Zimmer on a pyre)
2) uncompromising fans (love music but Zimmer since Zimmer is not music)
3) condescending fans (despise Zimmer but not too much)
4) open-minded (Zimmer is not that bad though Williams is unbeatable)
5) neutral (love Zimmer as much as Williams)
6) heretics (left Williams for the dark side of music, or just for new and more modern music dimension)


This makes no sense, agent Dunham.

YOR is VERY open minded.

He can like Goldsmith, North, Williams, Shore, Morricone, Carpenter, Vangelis, Doyle, Poledouris, Horner, Rosza, Mancini, Silvestri, Sarde, BaƱos, Beltrami, Tyler, Giacchino, Conti, Bernstein, Goldenthal, Hisaishi, Kamen...

But still are not able to stand Zimmer and his unbereable wall of sounds.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

YOR is VERY open minded.

Yes I know and I am also confident that one day Zimmer will have a small place in Yor's big heart.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 5:58 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Yes, when he retires!

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 7:56 PM   
 By:   Talos   (Member)

Yes, when he retires!

I really hope that the whole Zimmer sound will retire. Its just not cool. Just loud, for 'coolness' sake.

Now... Goldsmith's music WAS and IS cool. e.g. Total Recall. That's the pinnacle of modern action filmmusic. Intelligent, brutal, loud at times when needed. Just brilliant.

I would hire Talgorn in an instant. Another class - real - composer.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 8:02 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Old jungle saying: Wild dogs piss on everything in the neighborhood but at the end of the day, they are still only dogs.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 10:11 PM   
 By:   moviescore1   (Member)

However, I kept thinking to myself when listening to this, how would John Powell have scored this if given the chance?

Well, if Powell was given full creative freedom it might sound more like X-Men 3. But most likely Snyder and Nolan would ask him for something more along the lines of United 93.

-Erik-


So true..."In this scene we need more droning please..."

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2013 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

However, I kept thinking to myself when listening to this, how would John Powell have scored this if given the chance?

Well, if Powell was given full creative freedom it might sound more like X-Men 3. But most likely Snyder and Nolan would ask him for something more along the lines of United 93.

-Erik-


So true..."In this scene we need more droning please..."


You know I've come to love Powell's scores for How to Train Your Dragon, Bolt, and Kung Fu Panda (with Zimmer). I have tried, but I cannot get into X-3.

Listening to MoS. Not looking at track titles much, but I'm pretty sure I'm in the Krypton stuff. The Superman theme is definitely in there. It's good.

But I made the mistake of listening to Superman and Superman II yesterday. It's not a question of good or bad. I think Zimmer's score is going to be awesome in the movie. But I don't think that high orchestras and high school bands will be playing this thirty five years from now. Zimmer's score is just such a different animal than Williams'. They don't try to exist in the same space.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2013 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I bought one track off of iTunes which features music from the trailer. It's a wall of sound and loud to my ears. It's not making want to buy the rest of the score to be quite honest. And this isn't comparing to Williams' original. I think Zimmer has done better himself than this. The drum corps featuring all those talented players just sounds like they were all playing the same patterns in unison. Brian Tyler's infinitely more enjoyable Now You See Me has better and more complex rhythmic patterns and that's only one guy.

Still wanting to see this film but with cautious optimism. I wish Snyder had gone with someone like Jonny Greenwood if he wanted a score that diverged from Williams' original.

 
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