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 Posted:   Apr 17, 2018 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

This arrived yesterday and, in a turn of events that an only be called a distinctly 21st century conundrum, realized I presently have no way to rip it to my computer and don't have a CD player anywhere in sight! Curse you, Apple products - !

In lieu of that, I've been listening to this in the car as I've been going about my day and it is wonderful indeed. That main title alone was worth the price of admission, even though I technically already own most of the highlights from the CD thanks to the DeWolfe album where Talgorn pulled excerpts from. That main theme, similar to William's HOME ALONE though it may be, is just to die for, and the way Talgorn harmonically develops it throughout the score is a testament to his tremendous skills as a composer. He truly is one of the "real deals".

In addition to the huge lush washes of the Munich Symphony here we also get beautiful harmonica solos (a VERY "hit or miss" instrumental choice for my money), harpsichord, a one-off use of choir, even a solo male vocalist humming in one cue. Disparate ingredients all mixed and recorded beautifully with the orchestra.

Now I'm off to explore FORTRESS, MOLIERE and LE PETIT PRINCE (which I found inexplicably streaming in full on the music production company's website) and a few of his other French scores that I can't recall by name right now.

I've been a huge fan of Talgorn's ASTERIX, ROBOTJOX, LA BRASIER, THE TEMP, his fantastic array of library music and other odds and ends (like that amazing unreleased debut score of his, EDGE OF SANITY) for some time and it's great to see I still have plenty to discover - I long-thought his career was more threadbare than it actually is.

I assume his YOUNG INDIANA JONES music has never seen the light of day, correct?

And as for the Monty Spinnerratz CD itself and all the goofy pop songs, packaging and so forth... Can't really add much more to what's already been said except that it seems like such an odd curio to my sheltered American eyes and ears. I want to see this weird looking movie now for sure!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2018 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Good to see the love is finally filtering through for this lovely score smile
MOLIERE is pretty cool and as already noted, LITTLE PRINCE and RED NEEDLES are very good.
Also check out (if you ain't already) his INFANTS OF TEMPLEBACH score. All these available on CD and mainly glorious.
There's another CD with a small amount of score (about 20 minutes maybe) which translates to LEAVE YOUR HAND ON MY HIPS which is well worth checking out. It's another gorgeous orchestral score, lightly romantic. Think SABRINA by Talgorn for an idea how it sounds.
Yes Sean, RRRRR!!! is that weird furry/hairy packaging jobbie. The double discer. Avoid the single disc edition, which only has the songs. Although I've never really fell for the score overall. It's okay, but I only ever replay a couple of tracks.

edit = yeah bobb, no Talgorn music from the Young Indy series ever got released (officially).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2018 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Ah, forgot to mention INFANTS OF TEMPLEBACH. Has about fifteen minutes of fantastic, quintessential exciting/gorgeous/Williams-ian Talgorn stuff I love but a little too much "mickey mousing" throughout for my taste, even if it's all still quality writing and musicianship (he had the London Philharmonic on that one, no less).

Also forgot to give a shout out to DELTA FORCE 2. Such a crying shame that he was forced to execute about 2/3rds of the music with synths because the orchestral stuff is just fantastically exhilarating action writing, in that very distinct bustling style he also used in ROBOTJOX and the action cues in LA BRASIER.

That other French comedy you mentioned (Laisse tes mains sur mes hanches) must be one HELL of an obscure CD. Where on earth did you find it, Kev? There's scarcely any references to it online.

The RED NEEDLES also looks extremely obscure on CD, I'm expecting that one won't be easy to track down - I'm glad there's some (utterly beautiful) samples on Youtube at least:





Again - that lush, wistful and romantic sound from Talgorn that I've really become smitten with. Almost as much Delerue as Williams - especially in the way high strings are phrased.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2018 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

It's pretty cheap (laisse tes..) on our amazon bobb..
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Laisse-Tes-Mains-Sur-Hanches/dp/B00008PW4I

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2018 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Glad you enjoy his work. Among his best, let's not forget THE OLYMPIC TORCH (1992 WINTER OLYMPICS), the underrated FORTRESS and HEAVY METAL 2000 and his best work imho : EDGE OF SANITY

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2018 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Well, I didn't love LE PETIT PRINCE as I had hoped. The opening and closing renditions of the main theme are utterly gorgeous, quintessentially in that style of Talgorn's we know and love, but the bulk of the underscore has - to my surprise - far more in common with a poly-stylistic Thomas Newman effort like A SERIES OF UNFORTUNATE EVENTS than anything else of Talgorn's (that I know of). Not a bad thing necessarily, but not what I was hoping for either.

There are some nice flourishes here and there (and a one-off, sneeze-and-you'll-miss-it use of a big choir) but really it's that opening and closing emotional sweep that I'll be returning to often above all else. Given that this French show ran for twenty-something episodes, I imagine there's a lot of material not be accounted for on the "La Symphony" album... All the same, I compiled a 15 minute suite of highlights to enjoy without any of the filler.

Oh well - Talgorn's genius is already firmly cemented in my mind and this did nothing to sully that.

Next stop, MOLIERE...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2018 - 8:14 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

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 Posted:   Apr 18, 2018 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Man, I just can't stop listening to the 25 minutes or so of score on this CD. It's just such an enjoyable and rewarding listening experience, and while the overall orchestration is extremely well-rounded, I do have to call special attention to the quality of the string arranging/writing/harmony. It's SO rich and delectable. Talgorn obviously took the assignment very seriously - no mickey-mousing or comedic histrionics at play here. Great musicianship all around.

It begs the question, of course - how much score is missing from the CD? I'd be shocked if 25 +/- minutes covered everything, or even just all the highlights. I suspect no one here has seen the film?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2018 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I never saw the film bobb, but I'm sure some of our German correspondents may have.
Perhaps they can chime in with some info, but yeah, there's gotta be more than the 28 minutes offered up on the CD.
Would love Intrada to release an expanded edition.
Roger's a big Fred T fan. I'm sure his Disney score for ANGELS IN THE ENDZONE can't be far from CD issue.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2018 - 7:01 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Man, it'd be amazing to get his INDY scores alongside ANGELS IN THE INZONE, EDGE OF SANITY and any other unreleased gems of his. RED NEEDLES eludes me still, those three amazing Youtube clips aside, but I'll find her yet!

I've been listening to HEAVY METAL 2000 all days and I must say it's quite a feat. Outside of that terrific space opera cue "Julie & Kerrie" with its fanfare and swooning romanticism, cues like "Tyler Awaits His Wench" and "Hospitality" have incredibly decadent, almost bleating string writing that's absolutely to die for - seductive and alluring but weirdly off-kilter at the same time. It's really effective and evocative. In general this score's filled with interesting timbers, colors and brooding ideas that are really compelling and demonstrate a really high degree of craft. It's not as instantly rewarding as ASTERIX, ROBOTJOX, etc. but it's a very absorbing and original listen, especially the second half of the album.

While I also didn't connect with FORTRESS as much as some of his other scores, that big redemptive explosion of strings and brass at the end of "Freedom" is great - A burst of 100% pure Talgorn after a dark and exhaustive musical journey (man, those adulatory strings are just SO Williams). I wish there were more moments like this to be found elsewhere in the score, but the (dull) movie obviously doesn't really allow for such material, alas. Somewhat dull-muted sound quality don't really help the proceedings either.

Gotta say I'm just loving this guy's music more and more , and it's always rewarding when, even after years of knowing a composer by a handful of strong scores, you discover there's vastly more to their pedigree than you first realized. Talgorn, like my beloved John Scott, is one of the unheralded "real deals" and I greatly look forward to diving deeper into his back catalogue of work (damn hard to find though some of it is).

It's fun finding certain key modulations, phrasings and harmonic tendencies that comprise the musical signature of a great composer and Talgorn's language is consistent and deeply appealing to my ears.

Anyone know where his Olympics music can be found? Apparently that one's the mother of obscure CD's...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I don't have his Olympics Theme CD frown

This popped through my letterbox yesterday (£2.50 it cost me)..
https://www.apmmusic.com/albums/KPM-0327
..and track 11 - An American Love Story - is by him and it's a beaut!

Track 19 - My Small Town by R Harvey (I assume it's Richard) is equally lovely and Track 20 (The Eagle's Eye by C. Malabar) could be a Lee Holdridge 70's adventure theme!

Long Live The Talgorn! (dilly dilly)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

I have yet to hear his library music. But... I see in the credits for Talgorn's score for MOLIERE, that the music is marked as copyright of De Wolfe Limited. Does this suggest the score consists of library music?.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2018 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

I have yet to hear his library music. But... I see in the credits for Talgorn's score for MOLIERE, that the music is marked as copyright of De Wolfe Limited. Does this suggest the score consists of library music?.

No, from what I've perused it's definitely not from his library output. Maybe they acted as "music production services" or something like that, or he piggybacked sessions recording music for the film off of a DeWolfe library session.

I would definitely hop over to the DeWolfe website, type in his name and peruse. There's a ton of stuff, all of it very high quality and distinctly in his own Williams-esque voice, and in some cases it's fun to find him lightly reusing rhythms, structures or progressions from his film scores (never melodies though).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2018 - 1:26 AM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

I have yet to hear his library music. But... I see in the credits for Talgorn's score for MOLIERE, that the music is marked as copyright of De Wolfe Limited. Does this suggest the score consists of library music?.

One track was licenced from his deWolfe library output.
Regarding his Olympic music, a promo cd was published in 1992 (it features narration, it was composed for a "son et lumière" show.)
Frédéric later arranged his work for brass ensemble, the piece named olympus was recorded by les cuivres français.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2018 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

I have yet to hear his library music. But... I see in the credits for Talgorn's score for MOLIERE, that the music is marked as copyright of De Wolfe Limited. Does this suggest the score consists of library music?.

One track was licenced from his deWolfe library output.
Regarding his Olympic music, a promo cd was published in 1992 (it features narration, it was composed for a "son et lumière" show.)
Frédéric later arranged his work for brass ensemble, the piece named olympus was recorded by les cuivres français.


Ah, thanks for the info. That "Olympus" piece is indeed on Youtube, or at least portion of it appear to be. Thanks for directing me toward yet another Talgorn discovery!



 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2018 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Cool find bobb.
The 3 movements are on Spotify. Listening to it now. Kinda sounds like John Williams' brass stuff wink

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2018 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

It does indeed. Now I just wish I could stream those clips on his website from all those projects - sadly I just can't seem to get the damn things to stream on my computer. Looks like he has a lot of his unreleased or otherwise obscure stuff up on there.

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2018 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Hey Kev, can you tell me if those three Youtube clips from RED NEEDLES constitute the highlights of the score? I would very much like to pick this one up on CD but it seems exceedingly rare, and I imagine I won't be finding it for cheap. But if those three cues are the absolute best the score has to offer, I'll suffice with the lossless rip I made of those pieces from YT...

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2018 - 3:17 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

Hey Kev, can you tell me if those three Youtube clips from RED NEEDLES constitute the highlights of the score? I would very much like to pick this one up on CD but it seems exceedingly rare, and I imagine I won't be finding it for cheap. But if those three cues are the absolute best the score has to offer, I'll suffice with the lossless rip I made of those pieces from YT...

I know this score well. The score gets more serious and complex and is punctuated with those themes. I did a podcast years ago and dissected a highlight, nine-minute cue from the score that deconstructed the theme and build it up. Someday I'll do another, but here you go:

http://www.cinematicsound.net/popup/filmmusicmix10.html

 
 
 Posted:   May 3, 2018 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Oh wow wow! Thanks Roger. Just started it. Great call using ASTERIX as an overture of sorts.

 
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