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I think its a terrific thread & hope it lives on.
Horner's music is very important to me as well!
Yes, it lives on..because ms horner lifts and steals from other composers...Ops did i say that? I mean ms horner borrow's. yikes
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Jan 26, 2014 - 11:10 AM
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music4film
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Thanks for the analysis. A little difficult, certainly, to follow, but interesting enough.
Are those Horners's own full score pages that you are using? Clearly, not all that much for an orchestrator to do on this score, as it seems to be all there.
I love the "Legends" score a lot, and listen to it frequently, so I already have an interest in
learning more.
This is actually the completed score, which means the orchestrator has already done his part. As I speculated earlier, I doubt there was much the orchestrator had to do other than neatly prepare the score from the original sketches and perhaps fill in a few voices, but only Horner and Pasatieri know for sure! 
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Jan 27, 2014 - 11:53 PM
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music4film
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Thanks so much for posting this! I'm a composer too, also with Horner to thank! And what a shame that people have to stop by and remind you that you're not permitted to discuss Horner unless you first address their terms.
Legends of the Fall is a beautiful score – one my favourites. I would love to see more of the manuscript. I see a change was made (to catch editing I guess): on the album bars 11 and 12 are 5/4 and 3/4 instead of both 4/4.
Aside, a long time ago while doing some school, we were given a tour of Paramount Stage M (still standing at the time) and the music library. We each got to ask to look at a score. I asked to see Star Trek III and Braveheart. So fantastic! Braveheart's manuscript was in Horner's own hand (I was told) – it looked beautiful. Very clean and legible: stems drawn with a ruler, etc. And there were so many mysteries of the orchestration and harmony in Star Trek III that were absolutely fascinating to see written down on the page. That was a manuscript with *many* lines.
Great analysis. Look forward to reading more.
Cheers,
Thanks for reading, Iain. Sounds like you have excellent taste! And I just ignore the trolls, it's actually quite humorous to watch these old windbags beat their chests and recycle the same old tired lines over and over, as if they think repeating it enough times will convince the rest of us.
At any rate, I digress. Great insight on the meter change! You're right, I rewatched that scene and the 5/4 shift allowed the third brass chord to line up perfectly with a dramatic cut back to the good guys. It appears they even edited it further, as the first two beats are truncated to sync everything up just right. This is one of my all time favorite scores as well.
Awesome choices for Paramount scores - I envy you, my friend. Braveheart is one score I have not had the pleasure of studying. Horner did most of his own orchestrations for that one (with an assist from Dennis Dreith), so I'd imagine that most of it is indeed in his own hand. Perhaps you can spot the cues Dreith worked on from the differences in writing.
I absolutely love looking through the handwritten scores from the earlier age - they really are works of art in my eyes! It is much more personal than looking at a computer notated score, there is so much nuance that is lost in the computer generated scores of today. Like you said, the scores themselves look beautiful, and the personality of the orchestrator really shines through his work. The manuscripts of Grieg McRitchie, Don Davis, etc. are a joy to look at.
Thanks for your contributions to this thread!
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Jan 29, 2014 - 10:16 PM
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music4film
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I find it hard to believe that someone as educated as you presume to be, would take Horner seriously??
'Music4film" Seems to me you should concentrate on your own career instead of your obsession with Mr. Horner.
The sheer ignorance of this post is simply appalling.
First of all, the fact that you find it "hard to believe" that somebody of my stature would appreciate Horner's music simply shows how little you truly know about his music. I just gave a very detailed analysis of why I enjoy Horner's music, finding many meaningful observations in a limited excerpt of just 3 pages, to which you had no reply, instead resorting to baseless attacks.
Second of all, the fact that you have the gall to suggest what I should do with my free time, and tritely attempt to classify my healthy interest as an "obsession," is simply asinine.
And finally, just the fact that you chose to post such mindless drivel after I so clearly asked any mud-flinging cretins such as yourself to avoid posting in this thread shows your true colors. If this is the best that you have, then please do us all a favor and limit yourself from posting in this thread in the future.
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I find it hard to believe that someone as educated as you presume to be, would take Horner seriously??
'Music4film" Seems to me you should concentrate on your own career instead of your obsession with Mr. Horner.
Accusing people of being obsessed by certain composers is a bit rich coming from you. How's the Goldsmith love pillow doing? Don't get it too dirty.
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(And what is the "tsk tsk" for?)