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 Posted:   Apr 10, 2004 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

I think the bigger picture is a problem with attitudes towards scores - somebody somewhere deeming that this passage or that passage is unnecessary.

I understand the difference between consideration of a 3 minute long musical narrative and a 5 second incidental spurt, but when in the case of the former I`d like to think that appreciation of such could be left up to the listener instead of being decided for him/her.

As it is, somebody somewhere decides what it is of a symphony we don`t need, and we wind up with circumstances like Hunt For Red October.

As far as 'suites' go, I am vehemently against such things when they disrupt the original order & flow of the motion picture to which they were attached - listening to a score in such a state is inevitably jarring, its emotional rhythm jumbled up. You wind up with releases like the countless insufficient regurgitations of the Star Wars score that melded entirely cinematically nonsensical/inappropriate pieces to one another for the sake of a "pleasant listening experience". The order in which the works appear in the theater is the most pleasant experience... hit the Random Play buttons on your player if you wish to indulge otherwise, please, don`t corrupt the release.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2004 - 11:26 PM   
 By:   1st Prime   (Member)

I would love to see an expanded score that would have the film version of "Red Route I." Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2004 - 2:11 AM   
 By:   MWRuger   (Member)

Well, generally it is the composer himself who is deciding, based on how much music is being released, what and how it is presented on CD.

In most cases only a portion of the score is being released and the composer arranges the best cues (in his view) in the manner which he feels best represents the score.

Very few composers choose to release a score in chronological, cue for cue, order. Who do suppose has better knowledge of the score, the composer of the score or every jack-a-nape with a CD burner?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2004 - 3:07 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I think the bigger picture is a problem with attitudes towards scores - somebody somewhere deeming that this passage or that passage is unnecessary...

You mean the composer of the score don't you???

As a rule they tend to be the ones who makes those sorts of edits.





As far as 'suites' go, I am vehemently against such things when they disrupt the original order & flow of the motion picture to which they were attached - listening to a score in such a state is inevitably jarring, its emotional rhythm jumbled up. You wind up with releases like the countless insufficient regurgitations of the Star Wars score that melded entirely cinematically nonsensical/inappropriate pieces to one another for the sake of a "pleasant listening experience". The order in which the works appear in the theater is the most pleasant experience..

I'd love to see you say that to John Williams and go on to explain why he shouldn't do that.

Which one has the grammys for producing the albums and which one of you doesn't.

Another fine example of FANBOY arrogance.

Your entitled to your opinion, but it also has to be put into a proper context.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2004 - 3:25 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Hi

I want to ask :
Was there (or will be) a complete soundtrack of BASIL POLEDOURIS "THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER"? I know only the 30 minutes long version and that is in my opinion to short.

Thanks for an answer.


We are very lucky we even got this..

The soundtrack wasn't issued until several months after the film opened, it was due in part to it's success and the that somone at MCA liked the film and and the score and agreed to pay the $100,000 new usage payment to issue the 30 minute CD.

The chances of an expaned CD are at the moment quite slight due to the fact the MCA owns the soundtrack album rights to this title until doomsday.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2009 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   BigMacGyver2000   (Member)

I wonder wether or not a deal with mca for an expanded album release could be found now that paramount has opened doors. I bet it would be hard to do, but would it be impossible?

I sure hope that such a release is in the works already from some label. The score is too good to be limited forever to all these shortcomings of the old mca release.

And even if it will take another 10 years or so to pull it off, i will gladly buy any other poledouris release that will come out in the meantime wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2009 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

It would be nice to get a complete score for The Hunt For Red October...but with the OST still in print I doubt it'll happen any time soon.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2009 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

I don't need complete soundtracks either. Who has time to listen to an entire 70 minutes of music for every soundtrack?

I certainly have to for every single CD I buy to be 70 minutes. What a very bizzare argument.

I would love it if every CD I owned were 70 minutes long, provided it wasn't padding or repetition of other stuff I own.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2009 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

...but with the OST still in print I doubt it'll happen any time soon.

Good point, but I still hope that MCA would give Intrada the chance to do a limited edition.
I don't think it would lower sales on MCA's super-cheap-CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2009 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   antipodean   (Member)

You wind up with releases like the countless insufficient regurgitations of the Star Wars score that melded entirely cinematically nonsensical/inappropriate pieces to one another for the sake of a "pleasant listening experience".

Since you mention "Star Wars" in specifics, I'd point out that if you have the Episode I "Ultimate Edition", you can listen to the music in the order as it is presented in the film. Because of the way the music has been cut-up and edited together, especially when it jumps quickly from scene to scene in the last 20 minutes or so, it is even more disjointed and abrupt, and could not be considered a more "pleasant listening experience" than, say, the single-disc presentation.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2009 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

*looks at thread again*

Oh, 2004.

*walks away, whistling*

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2009 - 6:04 AM   
 By:   andré marek   (Member)

Soundtrack labels have to launch score CD-singles. Thor will buy them all.

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2009 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I know. But I'm willing to go there for this monumental cause.

I really hope that isn't what it takes to get you to bite your lip, man.

Why does it bother you so much that Thor has this opinion or voices it? Certainly, he’s entitled to his opinion and to voice it.

"Everyone has the right to an *informed* opinion. No one has the right to be stupid!"

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2009 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Ford: A bad decision is a bad decision, regardless of who makes it.

He didn`t win an Oscar or a Grammy for track arrangement.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2009 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   soundwave   (Member)

Fingers crossed for a complete soundtrack. It may sound weird but certain cues in the movie sound better (longer) than on the OST.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2011 - 7:15 AM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

Just recently watch the movie again. Gotta say the score sounds a lot better on dvd (the unreleased music and expanded tracks) than on the (edited) original sdtk. I noticed that the timpani is more dominate in the beginning of the main title/hymn in the movie. And it was also heard in the film version of Red Route I.

Still hoping Intrada will release this one sometime in 2012.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

Dare I type bump.....

I'm just wondering if some of the film version tracks might be an issue for a potential release?

I don't see it mentioned b/f but was there an article regarding any problems w/the score?

Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I'll be shocked if we don't get this within the year...especially after BOTH Horner efforts in the series recently got complete versions.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   Bishop   (Member)

Hi

I want to ask :
Was there (or will be) a complete soundtrack of BASIL POLEDOURIS "THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER"? I know only the 30 minutes long version and that is in my opinion to short.

Thanks for an answer.


We are very lucky we even got this..

The soundtrack wasn't issued until several months after the film opened, it was due in part to it's success and the that somone at MCA liked the film and and the score and agreed to pay the $100,000 new usage payment to issue the 30 minute CD.

The chances of an expaned CD are at the moment quite slight due to the fact the MCA owns the soundtrack album rights to this title until doomsday.

Ford A. Thaxton


Question to all those in the know:
Has doomsday come and gone unnoticed or is the situation still unchanged?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

I assume Intrada has a relationship w/UMG since they released other MCA titles. But I'm not sure about Red October.

I was just curious.

 
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