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 Posted:   Jun 26, 2007 - 5:41 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

If I didn't love the score, I wouldn't care about the technical aspects (perceived loudness in this case) of the recording. So maybe this was already implied by my bothering to post on DEEP IMPACT, but I love the music.

The City of Prague re-recording of "The Wedding" as heard on THE ESSENTIAL JAMES HORNER is superb, by the way. I wish they had given us more. And the sound level is perfect, too.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2007 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

yah I agree, some parts are loud and I do not like to have to keep changing the audio, there is one part when she finds out her mother is dead and a very pretty piano part comes on track 5 or 7 I think and it's so soft I have to crank it all the way up. Although I love the score and the film was good too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2007 - 10:30 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)



The only two that I think he has approaced any level of effectiveness with scoring emotions are Searching for Bobby Fisher or Field of Dreams. Most other attempts at scoring emotion have either been so low key as to sink beneath the surface completely, like Deep Impact, or so over the top that they scream out "Emotions Going On Here!!!", like Legends of the Fall.


I'd like to say I respect all opinions, but I would be lying.

In the case of Deep Impact, the score is so damned understated that over-the-top is about the most inaccurate description of it I've ever heard.

This is yet ANOTHER case of composers, regardless of who they are being blamed for how their music is heard in the film, where it is subjected to edits, replacements, cues placed out of order, etc, etc, none of which the composer has any control over. Deep Impact is the same way - the entire ending of the film (when the astronauts sacrifice themselves) had music tracked in from different places than originally scored.
The cue on album is very low-key at that point.

Even that "Horner, The Mystic?" essay written in 2001 touched on that and used this film as an example of what's intended versus what ends up as the final result, outside of the composer's control.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2007 - 10:42 PM   
 By:   Greg Bryant   (Member)



I'd like to say I respect all opinions, but I would be lying.

In the case of Deep Impact, the score is so damned understated that over-the-top is about the most inaccurate description of it I've ever heard.



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Deep Impact = understated, low key
Legends of the Fall = over the top

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2007 - 7:09 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I had the DEEP IMPACT soundtrack once, and can't remember it being particularly soft. I DO remember the album being slightly over-long and the sound rather "spacey", but that's about it.

If you want low volume recordings (or mastering or whatever), then check out MOUNTAINS OF THE MOON. Man, I have to turn up the volume almost to the max to hear ANYTHING, and then I obviously get a lot of hiss in the bargain!

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2007 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

The problem is with the score. It's another tedious effort from Horner. Don't blame the tools, blame the workman!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2007 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   Oblicno   (Member)

I've always been a bit torn over getting this cd, as i've never seen the film. Horner i either love or just don't really care for - which is probably why i don't have more of his stuff - i haven't seen most fo the films he did the music for. But his stuff i don't really care for is cited as some of his best or most popular - Legends of the Fall, Braveheart, Titanic - so i am stuck in limbo on this one.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2007 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

It's Horner, who the hell cares?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2007 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

It's Horner, who the hell cares?

This is why I am often ashamed to be a film score fan, considering I'm in the same company as people who spout hateful arrogant trash like that, and are proud to do so.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2007 - 6:55 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)



Couldn't disagree more..

As far as I'm concerned it's one of Horner's best efforts of the last 10 years.

Instead of going for the big epic approach, he decided to go for the EMOTION of the characters and the moment which in my view helped the film quite a bit.

THE WEDDING montage sequence is a perfect example of this, he plays the emotion of the moment between two young people getting married in order to save their lives and one character deciding to end her life and her reflections on her life and that of her family.

I tend to pull this one and give it a spin quite often.

A must for any serious Horner collection in my view.

Ford A. Thaxton


Yeah! I couldn't agree more. A very emotion, beautifully written score with some strong themes.
The standout cue for me has always been DRAWING STRAWS which is one of the finest pieces of music Horner has written (among a huge collection of fine music written by this composer) and an album that I often play.

I do agree that the quiet parts are hard to hear in the car but two days ago I put this on my MP3 player so I get to hear it up close and personal when i go for a walk.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I do agree that the quiet parts are hard to hear in the car but two days ago I put this on my MP3 player so I get to hear it up close and personal when i go for a walk.


That's a good idea, but lately when I walk with my iPod, the wind is always howling in my ears.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

It's Horner, who the hell cares?

Avie,

How he chooses to use that talent is open to discussion, but can you just get over your

Can you post something that isn't just pissing on someone?

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

The problem is with the score. It's another tedious effort from Horner. Don't blame the tools, blame the workman!


As I've already said, in my veiw this is a very stong effort by Mr. Horner, right up there with LEGENDS OF THE FALL (another very good score from him).


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 7:30 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

At some point, Horner-bashing took on a life of its own around here. People do it to sound hip. It's a form of snobbery, in my view.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 7:36 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

At some point, Horner-bashing took on a life of its own around here. People do it to sound hip. It's a form of snobbery, in my view.

I think it feels good for someone to say things about Horner they never would say to him in person.

How often do people get to talk trash about someone who makes millions in the movie business writing and conducting his own music? Hell, I've done it, we all do it, but some people seem to really get off on it, repeatedly.

Of course, if Horner looked at them the wrong way or didn't say "Excuse me" as he passed them in a corridor, they'd go ape. But they can say he's a talentless hack and there's no repurcussions, AND they can pretend they actually did something that took courage.

I have a lot of issues with Horner, as I've freely expressed. But I don't HATE the MAN as some people seem to.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)




As I've already said, in my veiw this is a very stong effort by Mr. Horner, right up there with LEGENDS OF THE FALL (another very good score from him).


Ford A. Thaxton


LEGENDS OF THE FALL is probably my all time favourite Horner score.

I get really fed up with people bad mouthing him. We all have a favourites and the composers we least like to listen to.

Horner is a talented, clever composer who really does know how to put music to images IMHO as well as, and in some cases, better than the top flight composers we all love.

His themes are imaginative and although he is not shy to reuse his material it always fit the action. Luckily for me I love this style!!

Someone mentioned that he cannot write emotional music:

The Ludlows - Legends of the Fall
For the Love Of A Princess - Braveheart
Rose - Titanic
Casper's Lullaby - Casper
Irina's Theme - Gorky Park

Need I go on!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   Oblicno   (Member)

I always found Horner's work in Glory and Appollo 13 quite emotional. They're two of my faves of his.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 8:17 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)



Couldn't disagree more..

As far as I'm concerned it's one of Horner's best efforts of the last 10 years.

A must for any serious Horner collection in my view.

Ford A. Thaxton


Yes, I think it's pretty good myself. Wasn't this his first post-Titanic score? I just remember the music being very emotive, like vintage Horner. Good performance by the orchestra too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 9:37 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)


Wasn't this his first post-Titanic score? I just remember the music being very emotive, like vintage Horner. Good performance by the orchestra too.


Yes it was. Horner was busy recording this when he won the Oscar. I heard an audio excerpt from a CNN interview where it's suggested this was the Friday before the show. The cue being recorded was "Sad News".

I also recall reading an interview on a fansite with editor Joe Rand, who said he sent Horner a photo of the Deep Impact score covered in blood due to Rand stabbing it, and Horner responded saying 'not bloody enough'.

 
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