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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Hawkins on Murder/Winter Kill/Babe
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2010 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

At the risk of generalizing The Great Film Music Unwashed, I think there are two types of Goldsmith fans: those who prefer his "kick ass" action cues and bold main titles; and those who fancy his "kick ass' sound explorations, suspense cues, and experimental approach.

Whatever the case, I love when we oldsters discuss pre-ST:TMP Jerry. cool

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2010 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

At the risk of generalizing The Great Film Music Unwashed, I think there are two types of Goldsmith fans: those who prefer his "kick ass" action cues and bold main titles; and those who fancy his "kick ass' sound explorations, suspense cues, and experimental approach.

Whatever the case, I love when we oldsters discuss pre-ST:TMP Jerry. cool


And then there are those fans like me who can really dig both those sides of Goldsmith and enjoy the fact that there is this wide range of diversity in his scores...

 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2010 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   mark ford   (Member)

I'm with Vice Brigadier Sir Thomas "Bullhead" Servo above, I like both sides mentioned. I think that if Goldsmith only wrote in the great theme/great action music mode he would still be a first rate film composer, but it is the addition of his constant thinking outside of the box, embracing the atonal and experimenting both orchestrally & electronically, that made him the great, towering film composer he was.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2010 - 11:17 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

The following thread contains more raves (from the dedicated few) who love this release. (my remarks from there are repeated here):

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=14960&forumID=1&archive=1



Mr Phelps, I've been with you in the past on this and continue to agree with you that this particular cd is one of my favorite FSM releases as well.

Long awaited. And what a surprise when it was announced!
It's great to finally have these three Goldsmith television scores preserved on one cd with outstanding care in presentation as usual by FSM.


Indeed you have been! smile I enjoyed your reminscence about trying to tape the music off the original broadcast while trying to shoo the family out of the room. Perhaps that's part of this CD's appeal to me, in that I fondly recall movies like WINTER KILL being on cable TV during the day, but I just like this edgier, experimental Goldsmith sound. I also have a growing fondness for those 1970s-era synths.

As for WINTER KILL's presentation, I guess I'm one of the few that program the CD in order to hear all of the tracks in chronological order. I just love this score. Suspense cues can be mind-numbingly dull in the wrong hands, but composers like Goldsmith (and John Barry) are masters at maintaining the tension with their work.

I've yet to see this Andy Griffith film, however. Someday, perhaps... frown


Do you think they'll ever put "Hawkins On Murder" as part of the Warner Archive D.V.D.-R. series?

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Do you think they'll ever put "Hawkins On Murder" as part of the Warner Archive D.V.D.-R. series?

I'm hoping for the entire series to get a release. You'd think that James Stewart would be a big enough draw.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I like the two sides of Jerry too! I just never know which ones.
As much as I dislike the weird sounds from Peter Proud and Logan's Run, I love other such noodlings in Legend or Lionheart.
Likewise, some of his kick-ass main themes knock me out (Swarm End Titles, ST-TMP) while others leave me cold (Total Recall, The Mummy).
It's the not knowing that makes it fun.

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

The following thread contains more raves (from the dedicated few) who love this release. (my remarks from there are repeated here):

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=14960&forumID=1&archive=1



Mr Phelps, I've been with you in the past on this and continue to agree with you that this particular cd is one of my favorite FSM releases as well.

Long awaited. And what a surprise when it was announced!
It's great to finally have these three Goldsmith television scores preserved on one cd with outstanding care in presentation as usual by FSM.


Indeed you have been! smile I enjoyed your reminscence about trying to tape the music off the original broadcast while trying to shoo the family out of the room. Perhaps that's part of this CD's appeal to me, in that I fondly recall movies like WINTER KILL being on cable TV during the day, but I just like this edgier, experimental Goldsmith sound. I also have a growing fondness for those 1970s-era synths.

As for WINTER KILL's presentation, I guess I'm one of the few that program the CD in order to hear all of the tracks in chronological order. I just love this score. Suspense cues can be mind-numbingly dull in the wrong hands, but composers like Goldsmith (and John Barry) are masters at maintaining the tension with their work.

I've yet to see this Andy Griffith film, however. Someday, perhaps... frown


Do you think they'll ever put "Hawkins On Murder" as part of the Warner Archive D.V.D.-R. series?


Yeah, I remember the HAWKINS series from the early 70's - pretty good show from what I remember - anyway, this is a great CD - I really enjoy it. Great job by FSM!...:-)

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

I'd love to see the Hawkins seris hit DVD/blu ray. While we are at I'd also like Stewart's sitcom and Henry Fonda and Ron Howard in The Smith Family. (Howard's tv series between Andy Griffith and Happy Days.)

Oh yeah I love this cd as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I'd love to see the Hawkins seris hit DVD/blu ray. While we are at I'd also like Stewart's sitcom and Henry Fonda and Ron Howard in The Smith Family. (Howard's tv series between Andy Griffith and Happy Days.)

Oh yeah I love this cd as well.


And there were Andy Griffith's two shortlived series ("Headmaster" and "The New Andy Griffith Show" that first aired and were cancelled within a few months in the 1970-71 season).

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2010 - 4:09 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I'd love to see the Hawkins seris hit DVD/blu ray. While we are at I'd also like Stewart's sitcom and Henry Fonda and Ron Howard in The Smith Family. (Howard's tv series between Andy Griffith and Happy Days.)

And there were Andy Griffith's two shortlived series ("Headmaster" and "The New Andy Griffith Show" that first aired and were cancelled within a few months in the 1970-71 season).


Seems like ol' Andy walked that lost highway for the whole of the '70s and then some after "The Andy Griffith Show", when he became a "Hawkins"-type lawyer with Matlock. At least he got to do some interesting roles in the interim.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2011 - 4:43 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

This thread deserves a *Bump* seeing as a few of us have included it in the "Top Five FSM Releases Thread." Now let's watch it drop. wink

Come to think of it, this thread was good, too:

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=14960&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2011 - 5:04 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Yep.

I'll miss FSM for their releases of these older tv scores. Nobody seems to do as many, or with the same attention to details like FSM.

I loved the fact that Fielding's Hawkins tv work was included to round out the Zigzag/Super Cops cd. A nice extra on that one.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2011 - 5:09 AM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)


I'll miss FSM for their releases of these older tv scores. Nobody seems to do as many, or with the same attention to details like FSM.

I loved the fact that Fielding's Hawkins tv work was included to round out the Zigzag/Super Cops cd. A nice extra on that one.



Even though Hawkins on Murder isn't one of my favourites, I couldn't agree more with the above comments.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2011 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)




 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2011 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

This thread deserves a *Bump* seeing as a few of us have included it in the "Top Five FSM Releases Thread." Now let's watch it drop. wink


Well, we've bumped it Mr Phelps. Anything more to add before we wrap this up?

It's interesting to note that Lukas stated in one of his low quantity alerts that 2500 out of the 3000 run of these were pressed and about 300 are left.

Not too bad for this title.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2011 - 6:04 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

This thread deserves a *Bump* seeing as a few of us have included it in the "Top Five FSM Releases Thread." Now let's watch it drop. wink


Well, we've bumped it Mr Phelps. Anything more to add before we wrap this up?


It's never really "wrapped up", as some free spirit will no doubt bump it again in several months to give the four of us who like this stuff a respite from the endless parade of speculation and PR threads, as well as the various Droids, Hobbits, and warp nacelles that rule the roost around here. wink

I share the same enthusiasm as you for early '70s TV music, especially when it's by the likes of Goldsmith. FSM's TV omnibus is Lukas' fullest realization of TV music score releases; it's a gem in the olde collection and it's a crying shame there won't be further volumes.

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2011 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Hey Anzaldiman, did 1973-era you watch "Hawkins" during its original run? I can imagine the entire Anzaldi brood gathering around the Zenith to see what that cagey country lawyer would do next.

Man, do I miss TV Guide when the covers looked like this one:

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2011 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

That TV Guide art of Stewart would have made a great cover for the Hawkins cd don't you think?

I vaguely remember the show as an 11 year old, CBS was always on in the living room at my house back then but my greatest fondness for it grew when WCBS in New York used to show it much later on "The Late Late Show". (On the dark walnut cabinet 25" Zenith color console of course. The one that weighed a ton with the fake drawer handles on the bottom) big grin

This was well before CBS also got into the late night talk show business. They showed movies after the late local news at 11.
I guess this was back in the Roland Smith days. (Anyone from NY remember him?)

Don't forget, Strother Martin played a returning character on the show as a sort of comedic foil to Stewart. That was worth watching it for alone. Strother Martin ruled.

I still have the Hawkins pilot on DVDR and watch it occasionally. Since this thread was revived I'll have to pop it in tonight.

It goes without saying how much I love the music. Once again (As he did with Barnaby Jones) Goldsmith creatively infused the series and it's aging lead character with a hip theme.

It's amazing when you read some of the comments on you tube when you review the old tv themes and somebody (other than the kooks) in the comments section (Not always the film score fanatics) says "I knew it was this show or that from another room because I recognized that theme music".

Or stuff like, "My Dad and I watched this show together every monday night back then and that theme brings back memories".

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2011 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

That TV Guide art of Stewart would have made a great cover for the Hawkins cd don't you think?

It would've been great. Maybe the clearance for rights wasn't possible.


I vaguely remember the show as an 11 year old, CBS was always on in the living room at my house back then but my greatest fondness for it grew when WCBS in New York used to show it much later on "The Late Late Show". (On the dark walnut cabinet 25" Zenith color console of course. The one that weighed a ton with the fake drawer handles on the bottom) big grin


Like this one?

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy140/pacwarbuff/Me1978or1979.jpg

That's me at my grandparents' house, circa 1979; I'll let you "take in" the atmosphere. big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2011 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)



Yeah, I remember when the TV Guide was 15 cents - I feel old...:-(

 
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