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 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 12:15 AM   
 By:   Clark Wayne   (Member)

An expanded official release should be welcomed during this Superman season and it would be better to cash on the 'current film' release. Hopefuly Warner bros cleared up the legallities between the orchestra contractors in order to pave way for this (from what I know from from someone important] I'll bet this would be more appreciated then what has been universaly condemed for the Zimmer outing..?

P.S Ive yet to see the new film and hear its score!


Amer,

I'd take issue with the comment that new film's score being 'universally condemned'. More accurate to say condemned by a few gobshites who think they know better than anyone else, and like to shout loudly about it.

But yes, a full Superman Returns would be great.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 12:37 AM   
 By:   R.D.Purton   (Member)

Not sure if I'm allowed to talk about this, but there has been for some while the complete score. The Superman theme is extrapolated in this score and sounds modernized when compared to the original. The film I enjoyed, but don't particularly regard as the greatest film. I'm not sure why no one here has heard of the complete set, but I guess because it's restricted to mention such things here...

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 2:02 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

An expanded official release should be welcomed during this Superman season and it would be better to cash on the 'current film' release. Hopefuly Warner bros cleared up the legallities between the orchestra contractors in order to pave way for this (from what I know from from someone important] I'll bet this would be more appreciated then what has been universaly condemed for the Zimmer outing..?

P.S Ive yet to see the new film and hear its score!


Amer,

I'd take issue with the comment that new film's score being 'universally condemned'. More accurate to say condemned by a few gobshites who think they know better than anyone else, and like to shout loudly about it.

But yes, a full Superman Returns would be great.


Agreed. Ive ordered my set nevertheless but as I said in another post I want to be swept away by the film and its music and make my own judgement. I guess people who are disappointed are those who havent left their John Williams's SUPERMAN crib. Time to move on and re-embrace this as a new modern age phenonmenon. And yes The Donner version and its music is locked and preserved in its own universe.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 2:07 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Deleted. Referred to a post wrongly.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Deleted. Referred to a post wrongly.

The best-laid schemes o’ mice an’ men / Gang aft agley

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Superman Returns is a fine score and my favorite of Ottman's work; he really matured during this project. He adapts the William's themes as well as Thorne and Courage and creates his own that work beautifully. I always loved his love theme and like his "villain" theme more than "March of the Super Villains" (which was always a little to light and fluffy to me). A legit expansion would be great, but the original album is still an excellent representation of the score.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Agree completely. The OST is a damn good listening experience. But I wouldn't pass up a complete release either.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

Superman Returns is a fine score and my favorite of Ottman's work; he really matured during this project. He adapts the William's themes as well as Thorne and Courage and creates his own that work beautifully. I always loved his love theme and like his "villain" theme more than "March of the Super Villains" (which was always a little to light and fluffy to me). A legit expansion would be great, but the original album is still an excellent representation of the score.

Yes and yes. The album is great, a complete score would be whole-heartedly welcome. Superman Returns was my introduction to Ottman and remains a favorite for me.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

I still find myself going back to Returns. I love Ottman's softer more introspective cues and I like his action cues as well. He managed to play Williams' themes without it sounding like he just hit the "Superman" button in Pro Tools or something. (Yes, there are a couple of times, but those are in the movie, not on the CD. But I guess we're asking for those too, aren't we?)

There was a lot of complaining back when about how he "butchered" Can You Read My Mind. I thought it was a different sound for a different relationship and it was terrific.

So, yeah, I could live with an expanded CD of this.


My sentiments exactly. I'd buy an expanded Superman Returns!

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I still find myself going back to Returns. I love Ottman's softer more introspective cues and I like his action cues as well. He managed to play Williams' themes without it sounding like he just hit the "Superman" button in Pro Tools or something. (Yes, there are a couple of times, but those are in the movie, not on the CD. But I guess we're asking for those too, aren't we?)

There was a lot of complaining back when about how he "butchered" Can You Read My Mind. I thought it was a different sound for a different relationship and it was terrific.

So, yeah, I could live with an expanded CD of this.


My sentiments exactly. I'd buy an expanded Superman Returns!


I like the new Lex luthor's theme and was glad he didnt adapt the jovial theme from the original score as it wouldnt have worked. Infact when John autogrpahed my cd; I asked him to write the Lex motif on the back side and he happily obliged.

 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2013 - 11:44 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Wish I could find the old Kaplan Bros. podcast about this score. They perfectly captured practically all my reservations about what Ottman did, illustrated thoroughly with audio examples.

I particularly enjoyed their demonstration of how Ottman's reharmonization of Williams' love theme turned it into something much closer to "Louie, Louie" than anything Williams himself would ever have written.

What happened to it?

 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2013 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)


I'd take issue with the comment that new film's score being 'universally condemned'. More accurate to say condemned by a few gobshites who think they know better than anyone else, and like to shout loudly about it.


So, if someone likes something, they're okay, but if they don't they're a gobshite who thinks they know better than anyone else?

I take it there's nothing you don't like then?

 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2013 - 1:37 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)


I'd take issue with the comment that new film's score being 'universally condemned'. More accurate to say condemned by a few gobshites who think they know better than anyone else, and like to shout loudly about it.


So, if someone likes something, they're okay, but if they don't they're a gobshite who thinks they know better than anyone else?

I take it there's nothing you don't like then?


I assume he's referring to the reviews of said score on relevant websites by esteemed writers on film music. All of whom gave it 1 star.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2013 - 3:07 AM   
 By:   Clark Wayne   (Member)


I'd take issue with the comment that new film's score being 'universally condemned'. More accurate to say condemned by a few gobshites who think they know better than anyone else, and like to shout loudly about it.


So, if someone likes something, they're okay, but if they don't they're a gobshite who thinks they know better than anyone else?

I take it there's nothing you don't like then?


Of course there is, but I don't feel the need to stand on my soapbox and try and drown out everyone else's opinion on it-different strokes for different folks-I've said that in fact I didn't like all of Zimmer's score on another post.

My problem is with the unpleasantness of some of the comments, particularly by someone who has gone from being the forum's clown to quite frankly, it's biggest irritant, and his personal attacks on someone he doesn't know.

And no, I didn't express myself very elegantly, but sometimes you just have to call em like you see em!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2013 - 3:14 AM   
 By:   Clark Wayne   (Member)


I'd take issue with the comment that new film's score being 'universally condemned'. More accurate to say condemned by a few gobshites who think they know better than anyone else, and like to shout loudly about it.


So, if someone likes something, they're okay, but if they don't they're a gobshite who thinks they know better than anyone else?

I take it there's nothing you don't like then?


I assume he's referring to the reviews of said score on relevant websites by esteemed writers on film music. All of whom gave it 1 star.[/endquote)

I refer you to my comments above. I do not care to read so-called critic's reviews so I can say "SEE-Barney McFarney of the little town news didn't like it-so my opinion is justified and I can be as unpleasant as I want about the film, the score, the composer, the director, his wife and kids and their dog!' I like what I like-if you don't fair enough but there's no need to be damn unpleasant about it-the internet is a great place for fomenting bile about such trivial issues.

And as you are obviously taking issue with what I said, include yourself in and feel insulted if you want to-I really don't care.

I have no wish to further derail this thread-so back to you Amer. Bring on Superman Returns in double disc goodness!

 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2013 - 4:26 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

And as you are obviously taking issue with what I said, include yourself in and feel insulted if you want to-I really don't care.

I'm much obliged to be part of your gobshite club.

 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2013 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

at the time of the reelase of the this film John Williams was interviewed and he said to some effect the would find the film to be apianful experience due to the then recent passing away of Superman actor Chria Reeve. I believe he has recently said some similar heartfelt comments about the new film. Did Williams say anything on John Ottman's score itself at the time of SUPERMAN RETURNS film granted that Williams original themes were adapted in the new score?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2013 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   Marek7   (Member)

A Few Years ago Bryan Singer mentioned that he had an interest and that some discussions had taken place for a director's cut of SUPERMAN RETURNS.If you watch early trailers for the film you can see some scenes cut from the final version and some have speculated that the film might 'make more sense' if all the scenes were recut into a director's version.I would guess some additional music would also be released for this. Count me in as another who would love to see an expanded version.

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2009/11/fans-push-for-superman-returns-directors-cut.html

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2013 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   TxIrish   (Member)

I'd buy it. Ottman's work on 'Returns' was a wonderful balance between polishing many of Williams wonderful themes from the early films, as well as adding some excellent music of his own. I had been aware of Ottman's work before, but 'Returns' really "put him on my map" if you will.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2013 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Listening just now to track "you're not one of them", wow, really beautiful score, choral too, wow, this is an underestimated score.

 
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