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May 19, 2013 - 8:58 PM
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desplatfan1
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i thought this woulda been one of those "made you look" -threads. also, in my calendar it ain't april foolz.
i don't like nolan and i don't like zimmer. i liked memento, but everything after that has been bland. in zimmer's discography i truly liked his era from late 90s to early 2000s, what diversity musically, but these recent albums of his i wouldn't necessarily categorize as music.
nolan's batman didn't use elfman's or riddle's themes. snyder's steel man won't have williams' theme. perhaps a zimmery bond wouldn't have those familiar notes from norman as arranged by barry.
But still, Zimmer used the Mission Impossible theme, and the Simpsons theme. Both Superman and Batman are complete reboots, like if the other films (and scores) never existed. Mission Impossible 2 and The Simpsons Movie we're taking place in a established world, and with established themes.
Also, Inception (both film and score) had Bond influences (it was a heist movie, it had a Bond-esque action scene in a mountain, and the use of old-school electric guitars).
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I'm sorry for all you Bond fans but a more realistic take has to be done with the bond franchise. The Daniel Craig ones have been way over the top with too much action. Iguess though that's not the point. I don't mean it has to be totally realistic, just a little more believeable. Also the music from the Pierce Brosnan years on has relied on the theme so much that it just makes it boring. Very generic action music with lots of Bond theme does not make a good score. The best score of the franchise was The Living Daylights. A new composer to take some lessons from that and use the theme sparingly throughout the score. After 23 times the same thing gets boring!
Er.... what? Bond movies are action movies. And the reboot has taken a grittier, more realistic tone. But it's still an action flick, so I'm not sure what else you want it to be.
And maybe you missed it, but David Arnold (who by the way is the same person who composed all of the Brosnan scores except for Goldeneye) composed Casnio Royale without using the theme but one time at the very end of the score. And he has done a marvelous job with the franchise.
Tomorrow Never Dies was a fantastic score, as was The World Is Not Enough. Die Another Day perhaps less so, though the whole movie was kind of a lazy cut and paste job.
The Bond theme is its' identity. That's what it is. No, it doesn't need to bang you over the head (like Giacchino did in Trek 2009), but nothing wrong with weaving it all through the score for consistancy.
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I guarantee you at this point Nolan = Zimmer.
And it will be "The most innovative Bond score ever with exciting unique material" (TM)
And instead of a guitar, the Bond theme will be played by an army of Cellos and synth orchestra.
God I wish Zimmer would shed his synthetic packaged soundtrack-in-a-box and actually create something real, organic and creative.
The real problem with Zimmer is that he's in a time where other people does his job. He writes long suites with themes, and then his MV students arrange them to fit in the films. The final result sounds like copypaste.
Absolutely, right on. Which I don't even think you could call that composing a score for a film.
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Strictly speaking, what the James Bond films are depends on which era you're talking about.
They started as romanticized thrillers — the emphasis was more on the plot, the intrigue and the characters but still romanticizing the spy's life.
They've been gadget-laden tech fantasy films
They've been million-dollar light entertainment shows
They've been hyperactive wanton destruction films
They've been just about everything.
The last one (Skyfall) was a mix of really old school romanticized thriller and hyperactive wanton destruction film, which is why I am split on it, because ...
The romanticized thriller is by far my favourite mode of Bond film but the hyperactive wanton destruction Bond film is by far the mode I hate most.
I think it's a bit unfair to judge a Zimmer Bond score before it's even been written (he's probably more versatile than he gets credit for), but I have to say, since his themes tend to be like three notes rather than the 16/32 bar themes Barry wrote, and his recent form has been dominated by a style of scoring I find mind numbing, I'm not immediately enamoured by the thought of a Zimmer Bond score.
But it all does rather depend on what kind of Bond film it turns out to be.
Cheers
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Id be surprised if Nolan does the next Bond film.Hes too big a director now to do whatever Broccoli and Wilson tell him to do and he is above this franchise now just as Speilberg is
And i could only see him doing a complete reboot of the series with Christian Bale as Bond and Michael Caine as Q.
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I don't know which terrifies me more. Nolan directing or Zimmer composing.
Okay ..... it's Zimmer composing.
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