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Jun 13, 2013 - 11:08 AM
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bondo321
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I have had the pleasure in listening to the 2 CD version of “Man Of Steel” – I am up to my 3rd listening. I just need to say from the very start, that I was “spot on” in my thoughts regarding the score. I t does not have a signature theme. Those of you who believe that “Flight” was the theme – or that the “so called” trailer music was the theme, may I please ask – is it memorable?
It’s not! The so called theme you guys are talking about, does not build up to anything exciting. There is no resolution to the theme, it doesn’t go full circle – all it does is build up loudly; and.... stop. So suddenly. That is not an “honest” theme. However, it did bring up images of Henry Cavill in his Superman Suit. I am excited to see those army officials escorting him to prison.
Interview with Zimmer @ http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/06/12/listen-to-the-music-that-makes-the-man-of-steel-soar/?mod=WSJBlog
Q: Superman doesn’t really have a new theme, like the John Williams one…
A: He has a motif. He has a bunch of notes that sort of congeal into a theme by the very end. You have to earn your theme, right? I think that’s the big difference between what John did, where it starts off with a fully formed theme, as opposed to the idea of the theme slowly finding itself.
Q: The John Williams theme was like a grand riff on the Superman TV show theme — “da-ta-daaaaaa”…
A: It’s a triumphant fanfare. It’s glorious. I tried to make it humble. I don’t really play the theme big until the very end of the movie. When he’s at his most human, that’s when he gets his Superman theme. [listen to "What Are You Going to Do When You Are Not Saving the Word?"]
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Interview with Zimmer @ http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2013/06/12/listen-to-the-music-that-makes-the-man-of-steel-soar/?mod=WSJBlog
Q: Superman doesn’t really have a new theme, like the John Williams one…
A: He has a motif. He has a bunch of notes that sort of congeal into a theme by the very end. You have to earn your theme, right? I think that’s the big difference between what John did, where it starts off with a fully formed theme, as opposed to the idea of the theme slowly finding itself.
Q: The John Williams theme was like a grand riff on the Superman TV show theme — “da-ta-daaaaaa”…
A: It’s a triumphant fanfare. It’s glorious. I tried to make it humble. I don’t really play the theme big until the very end of the movie. When he’s at his most human, that’s when he gets his Superman theme. [listen to "What Are You Going to Do When You Are Not Saving the Word?"]
So, not even Hanzimmer knows his own score!
Very impressive.
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Jun 13, 2013 - 1:13 PM
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Mike West
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Well, Zimmer's strength has never been thematic development, that's way to symphonic for his background and his taste, sometimes he came up with good and fitting themes and thematic conceptions,
but here this is just empty talking, his so called theme works best as a catchy theme in the trailer, which is not the architecture he intented but had to be edited a bit. The longer theme is not really catchy. And actually there is no development or thematic treatment of it really. There is a not missing sometimes, there is just the head of the theme, but that's a very narrowed idea of dealing with thematic material.
Which again, is not his strength and never has been and probably never will be.
And that theme appearing in the second half of Flight which is associated with his kryptonian heritage supposedly, this deserves a price for the most uninspired and dull theme composed by a major film composer....
Every bar in the same rhythm, ever countur of every phrase the same. ..
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Q: The John Williams theme was like a grand riff on the Superman TV show theme — “da-ta-daaaaaa”…
Actually the John Williams theme was like saying "Su-per-man" with trumpets.
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Well, Zimmer's strength has never been thematic development, that's way to symphonic for his background and his taste, sometimes he came up with good and fitting themes and thematic conceptions,
but here this is just empty talking, his so called theme works best as a catchy theme in the trailer, which is not the architecture he intented but had to be edited a bit. The longer theme is not really catchy. And actually there is no development or thematic treatment of it really. There is a not missing sometimes, there is just the head of the theme, but that's a very narrowed idea of dealing with thematic material.
Which again, is not his strength and never has been and probably never will be.
And that theme appearing in the second half of Flight which is associated with his kryptonian heritage supposedly, this deserves a price for the most uninspired and dull theme composed by a major film composer....
Every bar in the same rhythm, ever countur of every phrase the same. ..
Hanzimmer's only strength is to give people headaches...
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Jun 15, 2013 - 10:13 PM
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meegle
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Well, Zimmer's strength has never been thematic development, that's way to symphonic for his background and his taste, sometimes he came up with good and fitting themes and thematic conceptions,
but here this is just empty talking, his so called theme works best as a catchy theme in the trailer, which is not the architecture he intented but had to be edited a bit. The longer theme is not really catchy. And actually there is no development or thematic treatment of it really. There is a not missing sometimes, there is just the head of the theme, but that's a very narrowed idea of dealing with thematic material.
Which again, is not his strength and never has been and probably never will be.
And that theme appearing in the second half of Flight which is associated with his kryptonian heritage supposedly, this deserves a price for the most uninspired and dull theme composed by a major film composer....
Every bar in the same rhythm, ever countur of every phrase the same. ..
Hanzimmer's only strength is to give people headaches...
I think I like Yor.
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Q: The John Williams theme was like a grand riff on the Superman TV show theme — “da-ta-daaaaaa”…
Actually the John Williams theme was like saying "Su-per-man" with trumpets.
Williams' theme was (IMHO, seemingly) influenced by, and managed to combine/distill a number of prior "Superman"-like musical influences, including:
The Jimmy McHugh/Frank Skinner Universal logo fanfare
Sammy Timberg's theme from the Superman radio show & Fleischer Superman cartoons (which also says "Su-per-man" in its tune)
Mischa Bakaleinikoff's theme from the Kirk Alyn serials (which also says "Su-per-man" in its tune)
The Main Title of Korngold's "King's Row."
The brilliance of what Williams has accomplished with these influences, is his new melody's seemingly perfect "inevitability" (perhaps because of the multiple inspirations for it) combined with his uncanny ability to filter these influences through his own style. It never sounds like a direct rip-off of anything, IMHO. To me, it just sounds exactly like "Williams, 1978."
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Did anyone else think this sounded like Babylon 5?
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