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 Posted:   Aug 18, 2013 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



When the Irwin Allen CD box set came out I recall the FSM Review mentioned that it was only "Lost in Space" nostalgia buffs who could really appreciate the Johnny Williams LIS cues.



There seems to be an assumption around here that everyone automatically loves John Williams and Stephen Spielberg.

 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2013 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

And I'm pretty sure the straight, mock classical-style theme for Dr. Smith hasn't been on any of the releases.

I thought it was to be found among those library cues at the end of disc 2 of the LLL set. But it is too long ago I watched an episode from the series.

Btw his LiS scores are among my all time favorite Williams music and I listen to them often. smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2013 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I think Jeff Bond already made these comments, but here's some info on the original pilot music. I just watch the un-aired pilot for the first time last night.

http://www.answers.com/topic/lost-in-space-no-place-to-hide-unaired-pilot-tv-episode

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 10:56 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

I would have to go back and rewatch all the shows in some kind of order to figure it out but I'm pretty sure there are still some major cues missing.

Hopefully, this means a new complete, expanded, supernova kind of "Lost in Space" CD set to come!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

I'm obviously not really the person you all thought I was, because I have absolutely zero CDs of the old Irwin Allen TV shows. And zero DVDs until last week.

LOST IN SPACE was always just a very vague TV memory from my childhood - I don't think I ever saw it after about the age of ten - and I'm sure I never saw any of the black-and-white Season 1 episodes at all. But I picked up the DVD set cheap when "back hame in the auld country" and have just seen the first two episodes ("The Reluctant Stowaway" and "The Derelict").

I must admit, I wasn't too excited with the Williams score for "The Reluctant Stowaway". Much of his TV work from the '60s sounds a bit like redundant doodlings to me, so I'm not too bothered about not having Volume 1 of the CD releases. It was kind of strange watching "The Derelict" right after "Stowaway" because although it's a straight continuation the music is very different, much more in the style of '50s SF movies (and with one particularly old-style drippy piece of violin music, by Richard LaSalle I think). The score is credited in the End Titles to Herman Stein, and I recognized a lot of him in there, although I see there was also quite a bit of Hans Salter. No wonder I was reminded of the '50s SF cycle. Whilst the John Williams score was much more modernistic, I think I'd prefer to listen to the Stein/ Salter cues on CD. One question - I immediately "knew" one piece heard during "The Derelict". I imagine it must be the track titled "Writing in the Log/ Family", by Herman Stein. Hearing that after all those years was like going back in time. So I suppose that that theme must have been re-tracked throughout the other two seasons, is that right?

I think I'm going to pick up Vol 3 of the CDs, the only one which I can get quite cheap locally. It'll be a treat for me hearing "The Derelict". And despite what I said earlier about my reaction to the first Williams score I'm certainly not unhappy about having "My Friend Mr Nobody" on the CD as well, especially after Zap's positive comments above. I suppose I could watch that episode before ordering the CD, but that would put things out of order, and anal retention rules my mind in things like that.


 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 4:42 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I suppose I could watch that episode before ordering the CD, but that would put things out of order, and anal retention rules my mind in things like that.

Please don't ruin that music by associating it with the TV show!!!

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 5:00 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

The episode where Will goes back to earth was tracked from an earlier Fox movie score by Cyril Mockridge I believe--and I'm blanking on the film unfortunately. .

It's from Miracle on 34th Street.

I suppose I could watch that episode before ordering the CD, but that would put things out of order, and anal retention rules my mind in things like that.

Please don't ruin that music by associating it with the TV show!!!


Ah come on, at least Mr. Nobody was a classic. The series didn't get really stupid until later.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 5:12 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

I would have to go back and rewatch all the shows in some kind of order to figure it out but I'm pretty sure there are still some major cues missing. And I can't say which episodes used the Smith theme I'm talking about, but I would say if you watch the color episodes, they probably use it in most of the tracked shows at least once. I was rewatching "The Anti-Matter Man" recently and it seemed there was a cue in there when they were showing the dimensional doorway generator or whatever it was, and there was a major Williams suspense cue there that I don't remember being on the set--the 40th anniversary set did add some important things for me though. And I may be misremembering and maybe all the Williams stuff has been released but it seems to me there's more. That's about as vague as I can get for today... smile

There is actually very little existing Williams material left to release. A lot of the music from The Reluctant Stowaway no longer exists, so rerecordings done at the time for the library was put on the CDs. There are a few bits here and there missing from Island in the Sky and The Hungry Sea, but were talking a very small amount.

A lot of Herman Stein cues used on There Were Giants in the Earth haven't seen release. Ford mentioned a lot of the music was actually recorded as library music and not composed specifically for that episode, but nevertheless, it still was used there for the first time and not on album.

After Mr. Nobody, every other first season episode was tracked with what was available, either recorded for the previous episodes, or taking from the Fox library. A lot of the music was released when the respective film scores were put out. You can find a lot of it, you just need to know where to look. Try The Day the Earth Stood Still, Beneath the 12 Mile Reef, Journey to the Center of the Earth, Garden of Evil, Miracle on 34th Street, The Enemy Below, etc.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 9:18 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

There is actually very little existing Williams material left to release. A lot of the music from The Reluctant Stowaway no longer exists, so rerecordings done at the time for the library was put on the CDs. There are a few bits here and there missing from Island in the Sky and The Hungry Sea, but were talking a very small amount.


Considering the unlikelihood of any further CDs, and the faithfulness of the show's own re-recordings, this is pretty good news for me. What I loved best is all there.

I don't have the DVDs, but back in my VHS days I made a sound clip of "Robot Walks the Ice" from the pre-recorded cassette. It's quite brief like you suggested, kind of an angry fanfare.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

That piece was one of the few that didn't make it on the 40th anniversary set and I was really hoping it would. But there ya go.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Is there anything in Crescendo's box set not on the LLL discs?

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Yes, the Alexander Courage and Mullendore scores that were on the second LIS disc in the set.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

Is the Mullendore music for the last aired episode "Junkyard in Space" confirmed as a major unreleased piece?

Or could that be a shorter work with other Mullendore in that mix?

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Yes, the Alexander Courage and Mullendore scores that were on the second LIS disc in the set.

Thxs! Thankfully, I have that set so can import that as well.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Is there anything in Crescendo's box set not on the LLL discs?

Yes, the Alexander Courage and Mullendore scores that were on the second LIS disc in the set.



Wait a minute, there's more. The GNP version of "The Hungry Sea" has cues not on the LLL disc.

And don't forget GNP Box Set Volume 7, also known as LOST IN SPACE Volume 3. It has the whole episode score from "The Derelict" instead of just two minutes, so you get the exciting "Lift Off" cue among other things. And it has the whole "My Friend, Mr Nobody" instead of the short LLL suite. As I suggested in the original post, the additional "Mr Nobody" cues are quite significant.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2013 - 12:18 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I think that with all of the Williams scores, there is music on the original CDs that did not make it to the 40th anniversary collection; and the latter contains some music that did not make it to the original CDs. So you need both, if you're a geek like me.

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2013 - 1:02 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

"king mark" posted this at jwfan:


***All tracks are La La Land 40th Anniversary Set Disk 1 (Better sound,in Stereo)unless otherwise noted***:

A)The Reluctant Stowaway.

1-Lost in Space:Main title Season 1
2-Smith's Entrance
3-JUDO CHOP(Irwin Allen Box Set Disk 1:Smith's Evening/Judo Chop/On the Pad/Count Down:2.47-4.11)
4-Final Countdown
5-Escape Velocity/Meteor Sorm
6-ROBOT CONTROL(Irwin Allen Box Set Disk 1:Escape Velocity/Robot Control/Meteor Storm Defrosting:2.24-3.34)
7-Weightless Waltz
8-Monster Rebels
9-Walk in Space /To Be continued
10-ALTERNATE TO BE CONTINUED (Irwin Allen Set Disk 1 The Monster Rebels/A Walk in Space/Finale:7.13-End)
11-End Titles Season 1

B)Island in the Sky

12-Strange Planet/John's Decent
13-SUITING UP(Irwin Allen Box Set Disk 1 Suiting Up/Stranglehold/The Landing/Search for John:0.00-2.06
14-Helmet It
15-Strangle Hold/Landing
16-Lil' Will and the Robot
17-Search for John
18-Monkey's Doo
19-Operation Rescue
20-Personnal Chauffeur/Electric Sagebrush/Will Threatened


C)The Hungry Sea

21)CHARIOT TITLES (Irwin Allen Box Set Disk 1 Chariot Titles/Farenheight a GoGo/Chariot Continues/SunStorm:0.00-1.05)
22)FARENHEIGHT A GO-GO (Irwin Allen Box Set Disk 1 Chariot Titles/Farenheight a GoGo/Chariot Continues/SunStorm:1.05-2.36)
23)Earthquake
24)Rising Temperature/Boring Company/Don's Ray's
25)Warming Rays/Sun Storm
26)MORNING AFTER AND THE INLAND SEA(Irwin Allen Box Set Disk 1:Morning After/the Inland Sea/Land Ho/Strange Visitor:0.00-5.27)
27-Land Ho/Kids Play Off


D)My Friend Mr Nobody

28-Lost in Space :Main Titles Season 3(La La Land Disk 2)
29-Lost in Space:Season 3 Bumper(La La Land Disk 2)
30-Irwin Allen LIS Vol 3 Track 12
31-Irwin Allen LIS Vol 3 Track 13
32-Irwin Allen LIS Vol 3 Track 14
33-Irwin Allen LIS Vol 3 Track 15
34-STORM COMING(Irwin Allen LIS Vol 3:Storm coming/A New Galaxy:0.00-1.30)
35-A New Galaxy(La La Land Disk 1:A New Galaxy)
36-End Titles Season 3(La La Land disk 2)

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2013 - 1:09 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

I would love to see a complete cue list for "The Hungry Sea". There's not only music by Herrmann tracked in but also a cue from "The Last Wagon" i think.

Someone once called these early LiS episodes "film noir in outer space", and the great Williams scores are perfect for this. smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2013 - 3:29 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

"king mark" posted this at jwfan:

A few years ago I tried those instructions for The Hungry Sea, and found that he got it wrong, much as I appreciate his contributions.

First of all, "Earthquake" goes at the beginning, not the middle. GNP Track 8 and LLL Track 16 have the same content. The LLL sounds a little better. So "The Hungry Sea" should start with LLL Track 16.

Second, what's up with stopping GNP Track 9 at 1:05 and then resuming right there at 1:05? It's a misprint.

King mark's plan also leaves out the cliffhanger ending heard on GNP Track 10. Figuring out how to correctly assemble the cues after "Earthquake" is maddening.

The GNP Volume One Tracks:
08. Earthquake (2:44)
09. Chariot Titles... (3:43)
10. Morning After... (7:55)
Total time 14:22

The LLL Tracks:
16. Earthquake (2:45)
17. Temperature Rising... (4:08)
18. Warming Rays/Sun Storm (3:00)
19. Land Ho/Kid's Play-Off (2:36)
Total time 12:29

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2013 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Thanks for all the additional info guys. I didn't realize Crescendo had a lot of different stuff. Glad I have both.

 
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