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 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   Illustrator   (Member)

Wyatt Earp, thank you LaLa Land!

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Obviously they knew leaving those two tracks off would cause a stir, or else they wouldn't have bothered to put a notice up about it.


And there would have been an even bigger stir if they didn't make those disclaimers. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

Wyatt & Matrix are two definite purchases.

The two Matrix tracks not on the CD - can someone remind me please where they come in the film.
It's a shame they aren't included but I'm sure LLL did all they could to try and get them, but if the other party just doesn't want to play ball or sets the price into silly world then what are they to do?
At least we will hear what Davis originally wrote for those scenes.


Free Flight-after Neo fights the agents for the first time and flies like Superman.



I always wanted to hear that piece outside the movie. Oh well I'm still planning on getting this. Hopefully womewhere down the line I can purchse Wyatt Earp.

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

As long as Davis's work is well represented on the release, I'm happy. Juno Reactor stuff is as disposable to me as the nu-metal music on disc 1 and most of disc 2 of the original soundtrack.'

Agreed. Although personally I would put the Juno Reactor stuff on my iPod.

I too have the "Deluxe Edition" for The Matrix, despite it being half assed. I just don't know why someone would at least pass this release for Reloaded up. It's better than having a boot and it should be supported if you're a fan of the music.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Sketchkid   (Member)

Great news! I was going to keep the MR album for the songs anyways.

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Despite the material missing from The Matrix Reloaded I'll still be getting the CD. I'd gladly ditch the boot over the legit release.

I'm sure that MV did everything he could to secure those film version pieces. WB probably didn't wanna play ball on them.


Honestly, I'd love to support this release but I won't be buying it. The Matrix scores to me are on the same level as what John Williams did with the original Star Wars scores. Obviously they knew leaving those two tracks off would cause a stir, or else they wouldn't have bothered to put a notice up about it.

I passed on the Varese Deluxe when they left material off too.

Maybe someone down the road will be able to do this trilogy right.


If WB was unwilling to license certain tracks to La-La Land, then they are not going to license them to anyone else either. In other words, there won't be another forthcoming release of this score that would include those tracks, as LLL did everything they could to secure them (inside info here). Don't blame LLL, blame WB, but don't assume that this situation will be any different with another niche soundtrack label.

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Three releases worth getting... I also hope they last smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   ChristianKühn   (Member)


THE MATRIX RELOADED EXPANDED ARCHIVAL EDITION– 2 DISC SET


 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 6:56 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Correction to our announcement. Our 2-CD MATRIX RELOADED was mastered by Mike Matessino. It sounds amazing, as do the other two new releases and we can't wait to share them all with you next week!


https://www.facebook.com/lalalandrecords/posts/10151894539688755

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 8:44 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

They said it is due to licensing, but don't say in what way. Is it WB not wanting to deal with Juno Reactor and Paul Oakenfold, or is it them not wanting to deal with WB/La La. Or did La La not want to have to deal with Juno Reactor and Paul Oakenfold.

All of your theories have "not wanting to deal with" in them. While I have absolutely no inside info here, it is more than possible that the problem has nothing to do with wanting. There are artists who have exclusive deals with certain labels, there are deals made years ago that have limited rights. Perhaps Oakenfold and/or Juno Reactor were displeased with how the collaboration worked out, and won't allow the music issued past the film (which they were contractually bound to). There are myriad possibilities.

I did a television show about ten years ago where we wanted to license a song, but the copyright owner was bound by a deal granting rights to a company that was, when we wanted it, in the throes of bankruptcy (and, therefore, legally forbidden to do anything with it). The song was simply unlicensable, despite all parties wanting to make a deal. I'm sure that's not the case with this CD, but I offer it as an example of a music problem where willingness was not the problem.

But again, what do I know?

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I too have the "Deluxe Edition" for The Matrix, despite it being half assed.

Trent, I find this description uncharitable. Having all the music is clearly important to you (it isn't to me), but even so, this release includes the vast majority of the music from the film, presented wonderfully. Isn't it at least three-quarters-assed?

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 9:28 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Out of all the soundtrack companies out there that do this sort of thing which one goes far and beyond licensing, or attempting to license, ALL the music that is included in the film?

Commando
Die Hard
The Shootist/Sons of Katie Elder
Black Rain
Used Cars
Terminator The Sarah Conner Chronicles
Star Trek The Motion Picture
Star Trek The Original Series
Speed

We have negotiated successfully with artists such as Leonard Nimoy, Run DMC, Shirley Manson, Johnny Cash Estate, Nichelle Nichols, Power Station, Billy Idol, Stephen Spielberg, John Williams, Kevin Costner, Sylvester Stallone, Robert Downey Jr...the list goes on and on.

To insinuate we didn't bother to attempt to license these two tracks is not only insulting to us but downright ignorant.

We do our home work. We make every possible attempt to make things work, but some times when people above our pay grade tell you "It all looks great, but you can't include this and that" you learn to begrudgingly accept it and move on.

We spend tens of thousands of dollars on these releases and it sucks when you can't have the ideal product at the end of the day, but you just deal with it.

It bites, but that's the breaks sometime.

C'est la vie!

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Out of all the soundtrack companies out there that do this sort of thing which one goes far and beyond licensing, or attempting to license, ALL the music that is included in the film?

Commando
Die Hard
The Shootist/Sons of Katie Elder
Black Rain
Used Cars
Terminator The Sarah Conner Chronicles
Star Trek The Motion Picture
Star Trek The Original Series
Speed

We have negotiated successfully with artists such as Leonard Nimoy, Run DMC, Shirley Manson, Johnny Cash Estate, Nichelle Nichols, Power Station, Billy Idol, Stephen Spielberg, John Williams, Kevin Costner, Sylvester Stallone, Robert Downey Jr...the list goes on and on.

To insinuate we didn't bother to attempt to license these two tracks is not only insulting to us but downright ignorant.

We do our home work. We make every possible attempt to make things work, but some times when people above our pay grade tell you "It all looks great, but you can't include this and that" you learn to begrudgingly accept it and move on.

It sucks, but that's the breaks sometime.

C'est la vie!

MV




Ah MV... I do thank you. This is really fantastic news. I mean...really...all 3 in one day?

The only thing that sucks is I'll be at work when they're released and won't be able to order until around midnight that night, EST. That means it'll be that much longer to get my sausage like fingers on these babies.

Wyatt Earp is the star this day...but I'll pick up Matrix, and being a huge Debney fan, likely Jobs as well. Again...sir...brilliant...

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

All of your theories have "not wanting to deal with" in them. While I have absolutely no inside info here, it is more than possible that the problem has nothing to do with wanting. There are artists who have exclusive deals with certain labels, there are deals made years ago that have limited rights. Perhaps Oakenfold and/or Juno Reactor were displeased with how the collaboration worked out, and won't allow the music issued past the film (which they were contractually bound to). There are myriad possibilities.

I did a television show about ten years ago where we wanted to license a song, but the copyright owner was bound by a deal granting rights to a company that was, when we wanted it, in the throes of bankruptcy (and, therefore, legally forbidden to do anything with it). The song was simply unlicensable, despite all parties wanting to make a deal. I'm sure that's not the case with this CD, but I offer it as an example of a music problem where willingness was not the problem.

But again, what do I know?


SchiffyM, thank you for lending reason and perspective to these threads time and again. Certain posters here (like the other one you quoted) are direly lacking in it.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 10:13 PM   
 By:   ChristianKühn   (Member)

We do our home work. We make every possible attempt to make things work, but some times when people above our pay grade tell you "It all looks great, but you can't include this and that" you learn to begrudgingly accept it and move on.

We spend tens of thousands of dollars on these releases and it sucks when you can't have the ideal product at the end of the day, but you just deal with it.

It bites, but that's the breaks sometime.

C'est la vie!

MV


In summarising his posts, none of this will matter to jwb, MV, because the two tracks (totalling six minutes out of 150) aren't included, he therefore won't buy the set, he will continue to insinuate that you didn't do a good enough job and he'll wait another ten years until somebody does it the right way. That is, his way. I mean, what?

Probably, he also holds you responsible for all the horrible traffic on the I-405, because of reasons!

Ahem...sorry about that. Shared irritation is half the irritation, right? wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 11:22 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

May I ask question not about 2 Matrix tracks?

I never see Wyatt Earp.
IMDB said it's Costner/Kasdan production.
Why, the hell they don't asked John Barry to compose score?!
He wrote fantastic music for Kasdan's Body Heat, he earn Oscar for Costner's Dances with Wolves...
Was he just unavailable or there were another reason (for example, they didn't want to work together after Bodyguard case)?

If anyone know the story, please, tell it!

And another question - how JNH score sounds like? Does it have some in common with Dances with Wolves (lyric themes) or just another western movie with harmonica every 3 seconds?

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2013 - 11:46 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

I love the Matrix concept and Davis' music.
So count me in!

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 12:54 AM   
 By:   MD   (Member)

Matrix Reloaded 2CD will be so ordered and big thanks to La La Land fot releasing this awesome score.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 1:44 AM   
 By:   crocodile   (Member)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the missing material just the short bit of Paul Oakenfold overlayed by Davis after he fights three agents:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnuquqR7QOQ

And then about a 50 second Juno Reactor bit in the garage, just before the car chase (starting at 0:53)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjQkP1kpUGQ

The total amount of which runs about... 70 seconds? If so, not a big deal, is it?

Karol - very happy about those releases

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 1:49 AM   
 By:   tarasis   (Member)


We have negotiated successfully with artists such as Leonard Nimoy, Run DMC, Shirley Manson, Johnny Cash Estate, Nichelle Nichols, Power Station, Billy Idol, Stephen Spielberg, John Williams, Kevin Costner, Sylvester Stallone, Robert Downey Jr...the list goes on and on.


I'm curious what you had to negotiate with Nimoy and Downey Jr. Was it for use of likeness? (I know you probably can't answer) I'm also curious how much Costner was involved in Wyatt, IIRC you've mentioned before you were waiting on him approving the art.

Hopefully Wyatt will do well enough that we might see an expanded & remastered Waterworld.

 
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