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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2010 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Oh...okay... you all talked me into it. I just ordered it. I rarely play the GNP CD but maybe this will inspire me. I'll trade the GNP disc off at local CD exchange store.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2010 - 5:45 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

It's here!! I'm listening to "Stealing the Enterprise" as I type and I never thought we'd get the film version of the cue, sans opening violins. Well done, gang!

A few comments (NOT complaints) about the liner notes:

-page 9: "...influence of Starfleet" is misspelled as "... infleunce of Starfleet."

-page 6: "Ken Ralston, who had shot spacecraft footage for the Star Wars trilogy, served as visual effects supervisor."

He was also ILM's co-supervisor of visual effects on Star Trek II. The liner notes imply that ILM's A-team was busy on Temple of Doom so they just got some spaceship guy from Star Wars, when Ken Ralston was in fact an integral part of the Trek II team.

One question: were Leonard Nimoy or Harve Bennett approached for interviews or soundbites for the liner notes? I only ask because, while Robert Wise and Nick Meyer have spoken about the scores for their respective films, I don't recall anything from Nimoy (or Shatner).

Second question: I noticed Ralph Winter was thanked, along with the film's DP, editor, and UPM. Did these guys contribute anything specific to this release? Winter I understand but the other three guys have all been dead for years.

Again, these are simply comments. Awesome job on this release!!


Oops, sorry for the typo! re: the special thanks, that was a carry over from the LP packaging in 1984.

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2010 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Oh...okay... you all talked me into it. I just ordered it. I rarely play the GNP CD but maybe this will inspire me. I'll trade the GNP disc off at local CD exchange store.

I have no doubts it'll inspire you. smile "Sunset On Genesis", "Spock Endures Pon Farr", "A Fighting Chance To Live" three great cues that were not on the original album are great cues and it'll be nice to hear them outside of the film for a change.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2010 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I'm the opposite...I prefer the film versions of those cues, especially for "Stealing The Enterprise". I always hated hearing those string overlays at the beginning of "Stealing The Enterprise", on the original album.

Thus the beauty of this two disc set. :-)

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2010 - 7:17 PM   
 By:   DJ3J   (Member)

Got the CD in the mail today. And believe me did I need something to feel good about. It sounds wonderful! I love how the package matches the Wrath of Kahn disc too. Great companion CDs. Please now lets get deluxe editions of TMP and V! smile But until that time comes these two CDs are very enjoyable.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2010 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

So, I've given this little set a listen or two...

It's fantastic. That's the word for it, few others get the point across. The music is excellent (as we all knew), the sound quality is great (not a whole lot better than the GNP, but then again that didn't sound too bad anyway), the retained original soundtrack assembly is a big plus, the liner notes are well-written and informative, and the packaging is lovely.

However... where's the Spock narration on the main title? It was on Wrath of Khan, so why isn't it here?!? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! YOU'VE RUINED SOUNDTRACKS... FOREVER!!!






...hehehe, sorry. You have no idea how glad I am that the narration isn't there. Thank you Lucas, Jeff, Neil, everybody... and of course, James Horner.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2010 - 7:33 PM   
 By:   Landstander   (Member)

Back in the days when I was wishing for a complete Star Trek III, I was thinking up track names for the missing material.

I imagined the "Genesis Destroyed" cue being named "Genesis Sunrise" or "Sunrise on Genesis." I always thought the sunset and sunrise scenes were meant to be bookends of sorts in the film and I liked the idea of that being reflected in the track names.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2010 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

The anticipation for this release has been unbearable. Now that I have it I can't believe it. I keep staring at it and thinking it will disappear.

I remember last year when Wrath of Khan came out and people were hoping for II and III to be released as a 2CD set. We would have lost out with such a set, since there wouldn't have been room for the Trek III album arrangement and it's alternates.

The sound quality is stunning. Just listening to the LP configuration was a treat!

Thank you to all involved. Having all of TREKS II and III is a dream come true!!

-Rick O.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2010 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Bill in Portland Maine   (Member)

I have the following review:

I have listened to the both discs, and am very happy to have all the cues that fill in the missing gaps from the original 1984 release, which I always felt was missing..."something." It is a score that, while more subtle than STII, still offers a lot of well-thought-out, textured writing that spots the movie beautifully. And for reasons I can't explain, I have done a complete turnaround on the Klingon theme, which I didn't like in 1984 but which I think kicks ass now. (Is it me, or did Horner give the Klingons a little rumba action?) In sum, the original soundtrack made me think Horner was resting on his laurels...but this expanded release proves otherwise (carbon-copy end credits notwithstanding).

I have played the Group 87 pop cut 192 times.

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 Posted:   Jun 6, 2010 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

And for reasons I can't explain, I have done a complete turnaround on the Klingon theme, which I didn't like in 1984 but which I think kicks ass now.
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I stated before I always thought the Klingon theme was very "silly" and had none of the menacing flavor of Khan's danger motif. However I've gotten used to it over time. It's still a bit funky, accenting the "fun" in funky.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2010 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


I can't believe I missed that CinemaScope article! I thought there weren't any contemporary pieces about Horner and the score...but I should have known better, and I even have that old C.S. issue in my magazine collection. Thanks for posting the link!

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2010 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

Listening to the album arrangement now... it's a pretty nifty 43 minutes, Fighting Chance to Live notwithstanding.

Lukas... thanks again. smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2010 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Observation of some track titles.

In particular, "Klingons". It merges into the as prominent cue of the Enterprise docking. Thus simply naming it "Klingons" is not a very accurate description of the full track. "Klingons & Enterprise Docking" would have made more sense.

Regarding "The Klingon's Plan". It starts out with a Klingon motif of sorts but then merges into the "federation" theme. But I do not know what is happening on the screen during the second half of that cue. Anyone know?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2010 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   DJ3J   (Member)

Track 2 Klingons.....ahhh there's that Danger Motif..... smile

Yes Horner purists I know magnum opus his whole career one giant symphony.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2010 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

Regarding "The Klingon's Plan". It starts out with a Klingon motif of sorts but then merges into the "federation" theme. But I do not know what is happening on the screen during the second half of that cue. Anyone know?

I believe it's the establishing shot of the U.S.S. Grissom approaching the Genesis Planet.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2010 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

I've just listened to "A Fighting chance To Live" with my headphones, and I have to say, the slow rumble as the Enterprise blows itself apart, then the Timpani comes in as she enters the atmosphere: That just blew me out of my seat.

It's devastatingly effective.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2010 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Regarding "The Klingon's Plan". It starts out with a Klingon motif of sorts but then merges into the "federation" theme. But I do not know what is happening on the screen during the second half of that cue. Anyone know?

I believe it's the establishing shot of the U.S.S. Grissom approaching the Genesis Planet.


Thanks! So noted on my playlist now.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2010 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

Mine shows 'delivered' yesterday...but unfortunately I sent it to work!!! I guess I will have it tomorrow morning when I get there.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2010 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

This release is absolutely fantastic and confirms for me something I've felt for a while: The Search for Spock is a superior score to The Wrath of Khan.

I think Khan had a better original album though, leaving off fewer major cues and just connecting better as a listening experience. I used to find the Klingon stuff in this score annoying but in context with the added cues and in clearer sound quality it doesn't bother me at all and I like it (especially the weird ethnic instrumentation) almost as much as Goldsmith's theme.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2010 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   DJ3J   (Member)

I have been playing it non-stop. I love the tonality of the film version of the Prologue. You have a bittersweet color scheme which is given a tinge of threat by the presence of the Blaster Beam. I want to build me one of those!

 
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