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Anyone notice Elfman quoting from his own Ang Lee Hulk score in the movie?
I didn't, but I mentioned in a post earlier in this thread that I personally thought it'd be really cool if he could or if he did, because I really dig The Hulk score.
And I mentioned that it would be very unlikely if that happened. Guess I was wrong - apologies!
Well to be fair, it hasn't been confirmed or noted by anyone that Elfman's Hulk material has in fact appeared in Avengers 2, Jeff Bond just asked if anyone noticed anything like that. If Bond had said "anyone else notice Elfman quoting from his own..." then we might have reason to think maybe he did, unless I'm reading his post wrong. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if/when someone notices anything, Bond or otherwise!
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Jeff has said “The Hulk score quote occurs when Banner and Black Widow are talking in the farmhouse--it's the music for Banner's unhappy childhood, interestingly.”
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Jeff has said “The Hulk score quote occurs when Banner and Black Widow are talking in the farmhouse--it's the music for Banner's unhappy childhood, interestingly.”
I know you're just quoting him, but do you know if this quote occurs on CD or only in the film?
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May 3, 2015 - 10:34 PM
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Sirusjr
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These modern superhero films have a very clear dramatic structure: fight scene with mayhem and multiple explosions, quiet breather scene, then the next fight scene and so on.
Yet, this structure produces a stop-and-go score that is either hammering away or stepping into the background, more or less sonic wallpaper.
Quite agree with this. Excaltly the issue of both film and score. There is certainly no structure, and little evolution, because these movies are all concerned by rythm.
There is just no breathing between action, motion, dialogue scenes with all these scenes being short, hence you can't develop anything: little true feeling nor musical structure (I found it particularly evident in the "Guardians of the galaxy" movie, handling humour and dramatic points in a matter of minutes).
In Ultron, the most impressive one-to-one fight in the movie has no dramatic resonnance whatsoever. What can the score do then except ape the momentary obvious in a short amount of time?
This second movie feels episodic and lacks a global structure, where characters and story evolve significantly toward some conclusion (to be honest it's there, but for some side characters where it doesn't work very well). At least, the first movie was about bringing the team together, so when the big moment came with that circular shot, Silvestri could blast its theme with a sense of culmination - and it was the only moment where the score indeed made an impression. There is none of that in the new movie, where both composers just have to catch up with the stop-and-go narrative.
Liked a lot Elfman's music on album, btw!
Yeah pretty much explains my reaction to the score. I wasn't impressed in the film by the music at all but then what can you expect when the film has very few heroic moments aside from the few where we actually hear the new theme. For the most part we get typical boring modern action music that blends in with the effects so much that you don't really pay much attention to it. Aside from the main theme the only thing that stood out were the quieter parts used for The Hulk. Sadly, the themes were still not very interesting.
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I saw it tonight, and I completely DID hear the reference to the Elfman Hulk theme. As Jeff said, it was right at the end of the scene between Mark Ruffalo and Scar Jo during the farm sequence. It didn't sound like the theme _exactly_ but it was close enough to not be intentional.
I thought the film itself was an overpacked mess. I didn’t spend much time listening to the Tyler stuff on the soundtrack prior to seeing the film, BUT it felt like the Elfman and Silvestri material really dominated the film. I felt like I heard the Elfman theme pop up a lot, even in the quieter cues. Elfman got the opening logo, and he seemed to get the lion’s share of the end credits montage as well.
Also, a lot of the Silvestri “tracked” cues sounded like rerecords to me. But maybe it was how they were EQ’d? Anyone know for sure?
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I saw it tonight, and I completely DID hear the reference to the Elfman Hulk theme. As Jeff said, it was right at the end of the scene between Mark Ruffalo and Scar Jo during the farm sequence.
On the CD or not?
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Ok, identified Elfman's music from his score to The Hulk on the Avengers: Age of Ultron CD in the track "Farmhouse". The seven-note phrase from 3:42-3:47 is a direct quote from his Hulk score. Preceding this is also a variation on this phrase during the moments 2:46-2:58 and 3:08-3:28, using the first four notes and changing the last three. It's a nice buildup of altered Hulk melody before it's directly quoted during 3:42-3:47. Nicely done by Elfman. The altered Hulk seven-note phrase appears again from 0:16-0:24 of "Nothing Lasts Forever".
Could the woodwind (then string) descending note phrase during 0:53-1:01 of "The Farm" be a reference to the descending note main theme of Elfman's Hulk score as well?
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