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 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

Okay, three things:

a) I had no idea there was so much missing from the original soundtrack. 78 minutes?

b) I guess this wasn't one of those infamous 'in-perp' titles from Varese.

c) MV, you probably didn't plan it this way (or did you?), but it's fascinating that DEAD AGAIN is getting released the same week as the latest Doyle/Branagh collaboration.

Definitely want to get it soon.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Ellen, I'd argue that Carlito's Way is far more deserving of an expanded release, if only for that awesome poolhall cue (depicted on the BACK COVER of the Varese album and the front cover of the song album but not included on the score album!!).

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Predicted new notes: Proteus in Inner Ear

"Rosenman cleverly, creatively, majestically, regally, and awe-inspiringly presents us with zero-minutes and forty-four seconds of sheer extrolitious introplitude, as he recalls his wondrously uplifting and tumultuous main theme in a new, different and entirely alternate setting.
It is the master-touch of a galvanized, triumphant genius of superbly virtuous and inceptive music-making, setting forth in the briefest span of passing seconds – all contained within the limitless and black void of the mysterious and infinite ages – a veritable goshtorium of invigorating incredulity.
For the intensely entrilistic and pontropulous Rosenman, this fleeting, momentary, devastatingly short and altogether brief glimpse of musical light is so much more than simply a shaft of illuminating illuminosity bathing the scene with a glowing beam of beautiful-yet-sublime illumination cast languidly upon a barely-seen but clearly perceivable cache of ear wax – it is the culmination of an inspired creative spark that began less than one minute earlier as the composer focused with laser-intensity on his sublime objectives and embarked upon his inevitable, unpredictable and purposeful musical quest par excellence."


LOL!!

Basil, it's obvious that you relished creating this post, and with such evocative vocabulary: "extrolitious," "introplitude," "goshtorium," "entrilistic" and (my favourite) "pontropulous." The last truly elevates Rosenman to the status of a Greek deity. Webster, take note.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 6:39 PM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

Whoop! Looking forward to the new sound and packaging of Fantastic.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 2:34 AM   
 By:   oyarsa   (Member)

Jeff Bond's note for Track 10 of the FSM Fantastic Voyage release: Proteus in Inner Ear

"A brief and uncharacteristically hopeful setting of the main theme is heard as the crew glimpses light from the outside world streaming in through Benes's eardrum."


Predicted new notes: Proteus in Inner Ear

"Rosenman cleverly, creatively, majestically, regally, and awe-inspiringly presents us with zero-minutes and forty-four seconds of sheer extrolitious introplitude, as he recalls his wondrously uplifting and tumultuous main theme in a new, different and entirely alternate setting.
It is the master-touch of a galvanized, triumphant genius of superbly virtuous and inceptive music-making, setting forth in the briefest span of passing seconds – all contained within the limitless and black void of the mysterious and infinite ages – a veritable goshtorium of invigorating incredulity.
For the intensely entrilistic and pontropulous Rosenman, this fleeting, momentary, devastatingly short and altogether brief glimpse of musical light is so much more than simply a shaft of illuminating illuminosity bathing the scene with a glowing beam of beautiful-yet-sublime illumination cast languidly upon a barely-seen but clearly perceivable cache of ear wax – it is the culmination of an inspired creative spark that began less than one minute earlier as the composer focused with laser-intensity on his sublime objectives and embarked upon his inevitable, unpredictable and purposeful musical quest par excellence."


eek eek eek

big grin

That was hilarious!

Looking to Fantastic Voyage myself. Thanks for bring it back.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

Always looking forward to Jim Titus work.

Fantastic Voyage sounds pretty good on the FSM issue, how much better can it get?

New challenge Basil, a prediction of the Pleural Cavity cue liner notes.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

DP Sorry.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Ellen, I'd argue that Carlito's Way is far more deserving of an expanded release, if only for that awesome poolhall cue (depicted on the BACK COVER of the Varese album and the front cover of the song album but not included on the score album!!).

I swear I finally watched the gorgeous Blu of this last week and noticed the exact same thing!!!! Weird.

Also, Where's My Cheesecake is an unused cue, You Are So Beautiful is used instead, and I wanted to try and sync it, but was too engrossed in the film.
CARLITO seems to improve with age, film & score!

- Sean

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Ellen   (Member)

Nope, I would go for Donnie Brasco expanded first. Then again, if you have the DVD, it had the iso-score, which I have "booted" for my own enjoyment, so I guess I don't actually NEED an expanded Donnie Brasco.

I just remember that Varese's Dead Again CD was ludicrously short. (I know why it was, because of Hollywood re-use fees, but it was quite brief)

And Dead Again was also my intro to Doyle, ah yes I remember it well, sitting in the theater wondering "WHO the fuck is THAT? Wow."

Also: this is the score that got Doyle his celebrated appellation of "Bernard Herrmann on Jolt."

For those unfamiliar with Dead Again, the main titles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndyenkj7bSE

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Ellen, I'd argue that Carlito's Way is far more deserving of an expanded release, if only for that awesome poolhall cue (depicted on the BACK COVER of the Varese album and the front cover of the song album but not included on the score album!!).

I swear I finally watched the gorgeous Blu of this last week and noticed the exact same thing!!!! Weird.

Also, Where's My Cheesecake is an unused cue, You Are So Beautiful is used instead, and I wanted to try and sync it, but was too engrossed in the film.
CARLITO seems to improve with age, film & score!

- Sean


There's a good bit of unused stuff in that Carlito's Way score. The second half of "There's An Angle Here" is unused (or maybe it's the first half, I can't remember right now because I'm listening to something else---funny how memory works), as is "You're Over, Man" and maybe even "Laline." It's been a while, but all the unused stuff made me even more angry that the poolhall shootout cue wasn't used. Such a great explosion of 70's-orchestra violence. 1993 was an incredible year for Doyle.

Ellen, what was missing from the Donnie Brasco score, anyway?

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Good news for Rosenman fans. I'd buy it again from the Jim Titus work alone if I actually enjoyed the score, but as with most of Rosenman's work, I don't. I only own the FSM edition because I want every FSM title (and the liner notes are great as always, which probably will be the one inferior part of the new edition).

The SHOCKINGLY GREAT news here is a complete expanded edition of one of Patrick Doyle's very best scores. If you don't know it it's going to blow your socks off. I never expected to see Dead Again complete, frankly, because it being a 1991 title released by Varese I thought they owned it perpetuity. Any info on how/why this one slipped through the cracks, MV? Is it similar to Goldsmith's Basic Instinct somehow (one of the few other Varese 90s titles that has been expanded by another label)?

In any case I'm ecstatic it did...and I hope against hope that Needful Things did too! That one can use an expansion but especially a REMASTER!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   Ag^Janus   (Member)

The new liner notes may provide some information that FSM's well known edition did not include. I enjoy Julie Kirgo's notes so there is a chance that the previous edition and the new edition will complement each other in various aspects of the production.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2014 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   Ellen   (Member)

Not a whole lot was missing from Donnie Brasco, but I'm thinking of the whole thing playing underneath the scene where Lefty was telling Donnie he had to kill Sonny Red's son. That was a standout that didn't make the CD. And other little connecting things that seemed worthwhile to include.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2014 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


In any case I'm ecstatic it did...and I hope against hope that Needful Things did too! That one can use an expansion but especially a REMASTER!

Yavar


Hmm, is there much missing from Needful Things? I can only think of one cue when Buster Keaton and Norris Ridgewick are having the fight with Keaton handcuffed to the car. That said, it is a score I'd easily buy again because it's that good.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2014 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)


In any case I'm ecstatic it did...and I hope against hope that Needful Things did too! That one can use an expansion but especially a REMASTER!

Yavar


Hmm, is there much missing from Needful Things? I can only think of one cue when Buster Keaton and Norris Ridgewick are having the fight with Keaton handcuffed to the car. That said, it is a score I'd easily buy again because it's that good.


The opening credits in the movie uses a version of "The Arrival" without the chorus in a lot of it. So there's that, at least!

Talk about a score that's too good for the movie...

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2014 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


Talk about a score that's too good for the movie...


I like the movie despite some of its flaws, if you ever see the tv cut those become much more apparent, but I just like Max Von Sydow, J.T. Walsh, Amanda Plummer, ... in it, only Ed Harris feels out of his element in the cast, but still a decent King adaptation.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2014 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)


Talk about a score that's too good for the movie...


I like the movie despite some of its flaws, if you ever see the tv cut those become much more apparent, but I just like Max Von Sydow, J.T. Walsh, Amanda Plummer, ... in it, only Ed Harris feels out of his element in the cast, but still a decent King adaptation.


I read the book right before seeing the movie in August of '93, and was hugely disappointed. Even at its truncated length (I have the longer cut but haven't watched it because the quality is crap), it seems overlong and missing a great deal of the "isms" that made King's book great (or good---it's been a while!). The score adds to the feel of the film, which can trick you into liking it despite its many flaws. Like Goldsmith's score to The Reincarnation Of Peter Proud, I guess.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2014 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

The movie is a guilty pleasure...it was only the second King adaptation I had seen on the big screen after starting to read his books in the spring of '92 (starting with The Stand), and while it omitted a ton of character subplots, it was still darkly funny and boasted a terrific cast (the late J.T. Walsh at his finest). Doyle's score speaks for itself ("Art And The Minister" is one of my favorite Doyle cues), but I can't imagine there's much left to add to an expanded reissue...the original CD ran over an hour and contained about 90% of the score.


"Is that YOUR NAME on this GODDAMN TICKET, Ridgewick?!"

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2014 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


Talk about a score that's too good for the movie...


I like the movie despite some of its flaws, if you ever see the tv cut those become much more apparent, but I just like Max Von Sydow, J.T. Walsh, Amanda Plummer, ... in it, only Ed Harris feels out of his element in the cast, but still a decent King adaptation.


I read the book right before seeing the movie in August of '93, and was hugely disappointed. Even at its truncated length (I have the longer cut but haven't watched it because the quality is crap), it seems overlong and missing a great deal of the "isms" that made King's book great (or good---it's been a while!). The score adds to the feel of the film, which can trick you into liking it despite its many flaws. Like Goldsmith's score to The Reincarnation Of Peter Proud, I guess.


Well what the movie did retain from the book was the black comedy feel, I think that is what I like most about it, it isn't particularly scary. The biggest mistake they made IMO was not including Ace Merrill. By the way forgot to mention JT Walsh, he steals every scene he's in!

 
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