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 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)


While Mr. Townsend's accomplishments and producing skills are generally unquestioned, there are reasons for skepticism here.


It is Townson, by the way. The poor guy's name has received more misspellings than the tray cards on Varese releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I bought this instantly of course, since I have all the other expanded releases and after all, have to celebrate my fifth (gulp!) decade of trekkie-hood.

But I've just got to say that the original album is to me one of the very best soundtrack albums to come out in years. It is a terrific album that hits all the high points in the score and plays beautifully. For me it has the same strengths as Star Trek the Motion Picture as far as a compelling summation of the score (and better than Wrath of Khan because the Main Character's Death Music is included!).

This is really just a long winded way of saying both are worth owning!

Especially appreciate the long versions of Harrison and Vengeance at the end of the expanded release - that's what tips the balance to make this a must have for me.



Yep, for me the original Giacchino albums for both Trek movies were pretty darn solid, and since I didn't know the scores in great detail ( only seeing both films twice each ) nothing really stood out to me as missing.

So like the other Deluxe Edition, this is just tasty icing and an already yummy cake.

Yes, I skipped lunch today razz

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   foxmorty   (Member)

shipping notice received. i'm going to be enjoying this by week's end. nice job varese.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I will definitely buy this and I'm grateful to Varese for releasing it, but I will admit I do feel a slight twinge of disappointment not seeing Lukas Kendall as co-producer on this one, after Star Trek: Nemesis. I'm guessing that probably also means no Jeff Bond liner notes. frown

Yavar


God forbid that Mr. Townsend who been producing soundtrack albums since the mid-1980's (more then decade before Mr. Kendall) should be involved in such a project that he helped the same record label release......

Do you get my point?

Ford A. Thaxton


While Mr. Townsend's accomplishments and producing skills are generally unquestioned, there are reasons for skepticism here.

There were some minor issues with the Star Trek Deluxe Edition release, including missing instrumental overlays, strange cross-track partitions, and missing choir (perfectly understandable due to union rules), as well as packaging that many do not like.

This, plus the outstanding value that Lukas Kendall et al. have brought to the complete Star Trek movie and TOS releases, means that this is a reasonable concern.



One MINOR point that you failed to take into account...

The Composer was very involved in the project as well.

But what's that to having Mr. Kendall on board.

GET MY POINT?

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

Does the piano theme pop up much in the rest of the score not on the OST? Love Giacchino in piano mode^

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

I will definitely buy this and I'm grateful to Varese for releasing it, but I will admit I do feel a slight twinge of disappointment not seeing Lukas Kendall as co-producer on this one, after Star Trek: Nemesis. I'm guessing that probably also means no Jeff Bond liner notes. frown

Yavar


God forbid that Mr. Townsend who been producing soundtrack albums since the mid-1980's (more then decade before Mr. Kendall) should be involved in such a project that he helped the same record label release......

Do you get my point?

Ford A. Thaxton


While Mr. Townsend's accomplishments and producing skills are generally unquestioned, there are reasons for skepticism here.

There were some minor issues with the Star Trek Deluxe Edition release, including missing instrumental overlays, strange cross-track partitions, and missing choir (perfectly understandable due to union rules), as well as packaging that many do not like.

This, plus the outstanding value that Lukas Kendall et al. have brought to the complete Star Trek movie and TOS releases, means that this is a reasonable concern.



One MINOR point that you failed to take into account...

The Composer was very involved in the project as well.

But what's that to having Mr. Kendall on board.

GET MY POINT?

Ford A. Thaxton


My guess is that Yavar prefers the results from Mr. Kendall to those seen from Mr. Townson re: expanded Star Trek releases, and likes Jeff Bond's liner notes.

Lukas Kendall, in case this has gone unnoticed, often worked with Jeff Bond on the soundtrack releases, Lukas producing or co-producing, and Jeff Bond writing liner notes.

I was unaware of Michael Giacchino's involvement, and I cannot speak to any aspect of that, only the name in the credits, like everyone else.

Also, like everyone else, it's the results that are being assessed here.

Personally, I'm optimistic, but that does not invalidate the concern, nor does it invalidate the preferences based on the history of the Star Trek DE and past complete score releases.

If these concerns are unfounded, I'd love to hear your logical reasoning as to why, and invite the logical reason that any/all of the concerns are invalid.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Does the piano theme pop up much in the rest of the score not on the OST? Love Giacchino in piano mode^

If you mean the London's Calling piano theme, then yes.

I'm guessing London's Falling would be the cue for the girl's father entering the Kelvin archive, dropping the ring in the water, after his daughter is saved by Harrison's blood.

There's a great interplay with the piano theme and Harrison's theme in there that's fantastic, IMHO.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

There goes Riotengine's 'profit' from COMIC CON
frown
brm

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Y'know, Ford, Robert's name was also on the Nemesis DE right next to Lukas's, so it's not like they can't BOTH work on it!

Thanks OneBuck -- you've got my motivations pegged. However much longer Robert has been at this job, Lukas brings a level of perfectionism and completeness to what he works on that few can match. I met Robert back when I lived in L.A. (Richard Kraft introduced us) and had several nice conversations with him at the Hollywood Bowl. He's a great guy and we all owe him a debt for all the work he's done over the years. He's certainly produced many more score albums than Lukas.

That said, in terms of packaging, liner notes, and attention to detail making sure everything is just right music-wise, I think Lukas Kendall wins a competition hands-down. This is the guy who, when the chorus was slightly mis-aligned for one track on The Egyptian, went to the trouble to include the corrected track on the later Demetrius and the Gladiators release. Whenever Lukas has messed up he's gone to great lengths to fix it. LaLaLand too has done this, most recently with their making full replacements to add the alternate with mixing bowls on their reissue of Goldsmith's The Challenge. On the other hand Robert would just as soon move on to the next project and forget about past mistakes.

How else could one explain, for example, the GLARING mistake of the missing dulcimer on the Main Title for the otherwise perfect Varese release of Mancini's wonderful Thorn Birds? Varese didn't even acknowledge the mistake (publicly or to people who inquired via email) much less try and correct it. (Thankfully for those who are determined to get it correct it's available as a bonus CD with the book written about the score, but that's pretty pricey to get a fixed version of one track.)

And yes, Jeff Bond is a big factor too. He's written wonderful notes for most of the Trek releases. It's a shame he wasn't brought onto this one (or the '09 one, the DE of which had practically nothing for liner notes, just a lot of unnecessary pictures!)

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

All this contention makes my ulcerative colitis act up. Damn you! We haven't even heard it yet! J'accuse!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

I love Giacchino's 2009 Trek score and think it plays very well on the expanded edition. This one on the other hand really didn't do it for me on the initial release other than the softer treatments of Harrison's theme.

I re-watched the movie last night to see if much was missing. The only appealing missing piece for me was the kind of Williamsesq, spacey exploration music accompanying Scotty's investigative work. The think that really struck me with this particular score is how incredibly shrill and loud it is. It's like being beaten over the head with a hammer for much of its length. Look at how Giacchino treats the Klingon material versus say Goldsmith's (or even Horner's) approach - it's like he's in a constant battle against the sound effects in this score.

Am I missing something here? Is there good material buried somewhere in the mix that I'm missing?

Chris

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 4:55 AM   
 By:   adamclark83   (Member)

Ordered this last night. Wonder why none of the press releases state about the digital remastering and who it was done by?

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 5:01 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Predator 2 - complete

"We came so close!"

"Don't worry, asshole. You'll get another chance."



big grin

This made me smile.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   jchaney78   (Member)

shipping notice received. i'm going to be enjoying this by week's end. nice job varese.

What time did you order at? Perhaps because I ordered mine around 9:30 am EST yesterday.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   foxmorty   (Member)

shipping notice received. i'm going to be enjoying this by week's end. nice job varese.

What time did you order at? Perhaps because I ordered mine around 9:30 am EST yesterday.


just a couple minute after midnight. so most likely helped get it ushered out the door faster.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

Predator 2 - complete

"We came so close!"

"Don't worry, asshole. You'll get another chance."



big grin

This made me smile.


LOL, indeed!

smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)



struck me with this particular score is how incredibly shrill and loud it is. It's like being beaten over the head with a hammer for much of its length.


This is how I feel about most Giacchino scores anymore. His Medal Of Honor scores didn't have those dun-dun-DAHHHHHHHHHHHHH moments that plague most of his work these days, or maybe I'm misremembering. The Medal Of Honor scores sounded so much better, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)



struck me with this particular score is how incredibly shrill and loud it is. It's like being beaten over the head with a hammer for much of its length.


This is how I feel about most Giacchino scores anymore. His Medal Of Honor scores didn't have those dun-dun-DAHHHHHHHHHHHHH moments that plague most of his work these days, or maybe I'm misremembering. The Medal Of Honor scores sounded so much better, though.


I really wonder if those 'dun-dun-DAHHHHHHH' moments are something Giacchino's evolved to punch through the sound mix on action films when he really needs to hit a beat. Sadly, it really takes away from the score on isolated listens.

On a related note, I really like Dawn of the Planet of the Apes as it isn't quite so shrill and overbearing. That score gets loud, but there's a gradual ratcheting up of the tension throughout it (though many of the score reviews identify those sections as being "boring") It doesn't have the volume set at 10 over most of its length like Into Darkness. Plus, I felt that there was some more sophisticated orchestration and interesting use of dissonant sounds during the aggressive sections than we usually see from Giacchino.

Chris.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

struck me with this particular score is how incredibly shrill and loud it is. It's like being beaten over the head with a hammer for much of its length.

Have you seen the movie the was written for? Its not exactly How Green Was My Valley.

(Though I do like the score, I cannot listen to the "The Kronos Wartet" cue. Its seems to be more about the sound design of loudness over actual musical writing. Does that make sense? Also, the choral aspect is so "on the nose", it just made me roll my eyes. Let that speak more about my tastes than the music, though.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   juhana   (Member)

Another problem with both of Giacchino's Trek scores is that the main theme - while memorable - doesn't seem to emotionally represent anything. Compare that with, say, Horner's Trek theme that perfectly captures the Hornblower-in-space feeling that Nick Meyer was going for, or the graceful nobility of the Goldsmith theme, and you'll see what I mean. Giacchino's main theme merely evokes a vague sense of "expectant build-up" towards something, and little else. The theme also sounds like it would be more befitting to a superhero movie than a Trek movie. Its overuse doesn't really help matters.

 
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