Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2011 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

It also seems that he's instructed to score every minute of an episode, which hurts both the episodes and the music.

Incorrect. While Gold writes new music for just about each episodes, that new music is augmented by tracked music from previous episodes, particularly the action music. Kinda like Classic star trek.

I'm sure Gold has no final say in how much and where his music is re-used.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2011 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Mr. Shark   (Member)

Personally, I'm dumb struck by the banality of Murray Gold.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2011 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)

Mr. Gold's music for Doctor Who at times goes hugely, and deliberately over the top. But the show certainly demands that approach.

I vastly prefer it to most of today's TV music, which consist of either subliminal droning, adding atmosphere, but no real substance, or loud percussion from the Media Ventures school of action scoring.

I like Gold's Who music for the same reason I like a score like ID4. It's big, unashamedly thematic and just so darn infectious.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2011 - 2:17 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Personally, I'm dumb struck by the banality of Murray Gold.

I'd like to see Mr Shark's reasons, but I suspect he's just being mischevious and adding some balance in what might seem over zealous Gold-worship. Understandable.

For me, Stefancos, and the other fans here have got it absolutely right. I say again that most critics are people used to pre-2005 Doctor Who which had a simpler, and more sober approach. Being an old fan myself I understand. But the series itself is now much more ott, and the music merely matches the show it underscores. Or is that overscores Mr Shark? Either way, the most recent series, only just finished, the second with a new management team, has seen a less fanfarish approach. The music is much less upfront, and there appear to be fewer themes, and more reliance on established Eleventh Doctor series ones. Sadly. Though there is much to enjoy, as of course the music itself is still excellent.

What remains most true is that the music contained on the superb cds so far released will show the unintiated that this stuff is movie quality, full blooded scoring. Themes are full tracks and not mere signatutures. I suspect that most of us attracted to film music in the first place were enchanted by the memorable themes and stand-out set pieces we find on the consistently most popular scores, as opposed to anything minmal and small scale.

While I appreciate electronic experimentations, and some of the more dissonant sounds which can make some films, I was hooked in my youth by Herrmann's rousing music for the Harryhausen films, later to discover his work for Hitchcock.Then by Morricone's Italian westerns. Then by Korngold's swashbucklers, courtesy of Sunday afternoon tv film showings followed by RCA's classic Gerhadt records. The advent of Star Wars mercifully saw a shift away from what Williams himself described as concrete music. When the Skywalkers appeared accompanied by the best film music in years, a new trend was set that we're still able to enjoy today. For me Batman and Elfman's revitalising of the superhero genre was yet another shot in the arm. My most recent filmmusic infatuation was with the incredible Howard Shore marathons for the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Well these Doctor Who scores are the same. Not some atmospheric cushion under the dialogue, but often bold statements, carrying the action and dramtic fun along at a fair old rate. But when it's called for smaller ideas come along. Gold has the range of Goldsmith. If that late, great composer satisfies as much with the bleaker sounds of Planet of the Apes as easily as the gorgeous and impressively fanfarish Star Trek the Motion Picture, well you get that too, if maybe less frequently than some would like. The music for Series 3's Blink! is pretty small scale and claustrophobic as befits a Twilight Zone-ish horror-(small 'h' it was teatime!) thriller. Thankfully, most of it is indeed robust.

As my fan credentials are unashamedly obvious I will also say what a shame the boat was missed for the USA, when Doctor Who was revitalised in 2005, that our dear old BBC couldn't interest a network. With the right placing I think it would have gone down extremely well, in just the same way the equally British Harry Potter did, and maybe by now those of you stateside might understand all this Doctor Who nonsense! Still, what is gratifying is the amount of US film music fans have discovered Murray Gold's music almost by acccident, and realise how punch-the-air good it is.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2011 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)



As my fan credentials are unashamedly obvious I will also say what a shame the boat was missed for the USA, when Doctor Who was revitalised in 2005, that our dear old BBC couldn't interest a network. With the right placing I think it would have gone down extremely well, in just the same way the equally British Harry Potter did, and maybe by now those of you stateside might understand all this Doctor Who nonsense! Still, what is gratifying is the amount of US film music fans have discovered Murray Gold's music almost by acccident, and realise how punch-the-air good it is.


I'm glad no one in the US got it. The BBC might have been forced to make it more palatable to an American audience.

Now Doctor Who remains quintessentially British, which is part of it's charm.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2011 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)



As my fan credentials are unashamedly obvious I will also say what a shame the boat was missed for the USA, when Doctor Who was revitalised in 2005, that our dear old BBC couldn't interest a network. With the right placing I think it would have gone down extremely well, in just the same way the equally British Harry Potter did, and maybe by now those of you stateside might understand all this Doctor Who nonsense! Still, what is gratifying is the amount of US film music fans have discovered Murray Gold's music almost by acccident, and realise how punch-the-air good it is.


I'm glad no one in the US got it. The BBC might have been forced to make it more palatable to an American audience.

Now Doctor Who remains quintessentially British, which is part of it's charm.


Too true. Even Torchwood ended up as a US co-production, as did Doctor Who itself did in 1996, and it flopped! . It would take someone with the same bargaining power as JK Rowling to prevent Americanisation. That franchise, with NO american actor whatsoever, despite it's funding and production is massive partly (if not mainly) because America went wild over it, and yet it's appeal lies in it being completely British in nature.

Of course it's the executives, rather than viewers that get cold feet. As the Serlings and Roddenberrys of this world have written about over and over. If only they would occasionally let the people decide.....

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2011 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   KubrickFan   (Member)

Aargh, I hate it when I'm wrong. Not that I'm too proud to admit a mistake, but it seems to happen all the time.

I tried to listen to the Season 5 soundtrack open minded, because a lot of folks here were so enthusiastic about his music, and so I gave it another listen. And I liked it. I don't know what's different this time, but everything clicked for me this time around.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2011 - 8:27 PM   
 By:   Mr. Shark   (Member)

Personally, I'm dumb struck by the banality of Murray Gold.

I'd like to see Mr Shark's reasons, but I suspect he's just being mischevious and adding some balance in what might seem over zealous Gold-worship. Understandable.


Perhaps, but I still stand by that statement. I find Gold's music for DOCTOR WHO obnoxious, unsubtle, colourless, and friggin' monotonous to no end. Bubble gum orchestral music.

The Jerry Goldsmith comparison baffles me. Goldsmith was a master of his craft, and chameleon composer. There's more ambiguity, ingenuity and orchestral sleight of hand in a single cue of SECONDS, PLANET OF THE APES or THE FINAL CONFLICT, than anything Gold's produced.

Maybe I'm competently wrong, and if so, could you point me in the direction of the WHO episodes that aren't filled with Zimmer-style power anthems and sample library atonal stuff?

For me Batman and Elfman's revitalising of the superhero genre was yet another shot in the arm.

Personally I was more of a fan of the two Goldenthal scores. although I liked bits of BATMAN RETURNS. The first score always struck me as too much a Herrmann pastiche.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 6:01 PM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

Yes, this guy is like a force of nature. I can hardly remember, when I have been so floored with anyone´s music. There was John Williams, oh so long ago, and John Scott and Sibelius and Vaughan Williams, almost equally long ago. This is the same; Murray Gold´s music just grips you and takes you to places musically that somehow seem familiar and yet so different. The emotional variety is staggering; put Abigail´s Song to a player and watch a grown man weep. For me, he is one of the most invigorating, energetic and interesting composers working today.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 6:57 PM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

I am totally addicted to Gold's music from Doctor Who. Absolutely love it.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

For some reason the last ting I listened to on a regular basis was season 4. Other than I Am the Doctor and Mad Man with a Box. I play those to death. Bot nothing like Greatest Story Never Told or Strange Strange Creatures or Boe or Galifrey. Hmmmm.

Still good in the show. Just nothing I feel like going back and listening to.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I am totally addicted to Gold's music from Doctor Who. Absolutely love it.

Ive never heard such wonderful robust scoring for a television series before. In response to the comment this is "bubblegum" stuff, just listen to the pure beauty of "Amy's Theme", "Song Of Freedom " or "This Is Gallifrey and Val Decem". This music is far more complex than the coma inducing scores coming out of Hollywood nowadays.

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 5:41 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

This Is Gallifrey is one of the most beautiful and heartbreaking compositions I have heard in a very long time. But so can be said of so much of Gold´s music. All the Strange, Strange Creatures is so infectious, that I find myself humming it far too often to anyone´s liking, the same with I Am the Doctor. The whole soundtrack to The End of Time is a masterpiece! Series 7 soundtrack cannot come too soon!!!

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I can hardly wait for the next CD release from the current series which I hope will have a full version of
Clara's Theme.

I can't wait to hear his score for the 50th Anniversary special in November.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 4:31 PM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

Clara´s Theme yes, and the beautiful song from The Rings of Akhaten; the same episode has one rousing action theme as well. And let´s not forget about the farewell music to the Ponds.

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

I seem to remember reading that season 7 would receive two separate releases, one for each part of the season. Did I imagine that??

 
 
 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

I seem to remember reading that season 7 would receive two separate releases, one for each part of the season. Did I imagine that??

I hope you were not imagining that, because that would mean in best case scenario two doubles, four CDs!!! One can dream, yes?

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 9:42 PM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

This may have been it, but I seem to recall more specific details. Unless this is what I read and my imagination ran with it. I guess it could also be a typo:

"Meanwhile, fans of Murray Gold can expect soundtracks to Series 7."

http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/50th-anniversary-series-7-soundtracks-44815.htm

And I just came across this interview from a few days ago in which Murray reflects on the last 8 years and the changes his music has gone through with the various doctors: http://geek-news.mtv.com/2013/05/21/doctor-who-music-murray-gold/

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 2:14 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

Yes, most likely it´s a typo or a misunderstanding, soundtracks meaning 2CD set. But who knows?

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 2:33 AM   
 By:   tarasis   (Member)

I really am hoping for a double release for season 7 there is some really lovely stuff in there (I want the piece played in Victorian London from the Xmas ep, when Clara is following the Doctor up the stairs) and like Ford I would love a full rendition of Clara's theme.

Thanks for the MTV link, I hadn't seen that interview but its nice to see him get recognition as he is very much a part of this reborn Who. (Still hoping some of the earlier stuff will get a second release down the line, as he suggested to me it might)

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2014 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved.