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 Posted:   Jan 20, 2015 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

PAL discs play 4% faster in American players, making voices higher-pitched and physical motion slightly unnatural, or very unnatural, depending on the mastering. It has to do with SECAM > NTSC conversion and 25 as opposed to 24 frames per second. Nevertheless I've bought many PAL discs over the years. I try to avoid them now. But I will buy ATOLL K in PAL if I can't find an American edition.

I enjoy UTOPIA / ATOLL K for Laurel & Hardy and don't mind it's cinematic faults. There is something so poignant about it, especially in Oliver. I'm sure you know what I mean.

Thanks, gentleman, for your input.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2016 - 1:22 AM   
 By:   deepscan   (Member)

No, there were other cuts to the Lippert reissue. They replaced the entire title section, removed the entire Mother Goose opening song and character intro (partly because they could not show book title Babes in Toyland) and removed the cave song sequence because it wound up with Tom Tom and Bo Peep sleeping next to each other on the cave floor, Tom Tom with his arm around Bo Peep. Censors nixed this for post-code era reissue.

Auerbach's LAUREL AND HARDY IN TOYLAND was complete except for the title section and the VERSE of the Mother Goose song (again - due to book title).

When WPIX first aired the picture after the purchase from Auerbach they ran LAUREL AND HARDY IN TOYLAND (early 1960's). But it was advertised as MARCH OF THE WOODEN SOLDIERS. They later ran the Lippert reissue version as distributed by Prime TV inc. The Lippert End title (same artwork as main titles) was replaced by a plain concrete block style The End. Later, WPIX reclaimed distribution rights from Prime after Prime was discovered to have been sending out poor dupe prints to stations in the 1970's. When I contacted WPIX on behalf of CBS to see if they had complete print to license for video release, they said "no - only the edited reissue". I then tracked the picture down, ultimately to Eastman House where a nitrate fine grain had been deposited years earlier. This was negotiated for release by CBS/Fox (as a headliner to accompany the six L&H Fox features). At the last minute, WPIX demanded we pay for colorization. CBS said no and the deal went to Goldwyn/Goodtimes. But I managed to get a 16mm reduction neg of the first reel so that collectors could complete their 16mm prints. Even though the Federal Films / Lippert prints had the cave scene removed, that sequence along with the original NRA emblem storybook End Title, was on the Erko rental prints - issued before the Lippert edited reissue.


For the record, everyone...the copyright on this film was renewed by Prime TV, making Tribune the technical successor-in-interest to Prime, and thus Tribune (which owns WPIX) is the underlying rights holder. Here's where MGM comes in again...the Samuel Goldwyn Company properties (that is, the non-Samuel Goldwyn produced films with the exception of "The Hurricane" which is now back with its original distributor, United Artists) became incorporated into the Orion Pictures library--which leads to another twist of irony here--Orion produced the awful remake in the 1980s with Drew Barrymore. So now MGM has this film back in terms of its distribution. Any questions, class?

 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2016 - 2:05 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

I wonder when the recently re-discovered "Battle Of The Century" footage will be released...

That still leaves us with "Hats Off" lost frown

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2021 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

What goes around comes around. The Goldwyn license (and, by extension, MGM) has expired and WPIX has reclaimed distribution of its property. I assume extant broadcast contracts will be honored.

For more on BABES IN TOYLAND, you can visit my tribute page:

http://www.chelsearialtostudios.com/toyland/toyland.htm

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2021 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

such a pleasant memory--

https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=38708&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2023 - 1:28 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Has anyone heard anything about whether there will be a "Definitive Restorations Volume 2"?

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2023 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Yes - absolutely. I'm doing the audio restoration for this set. The print restorations are sensational.

And if you haven't ordered LAUREL AND HARDY YEAR ONE from Flicker Alley - Do so now! They came up with amazing material on these seminal silents. https://www.flickeralley.com/classic-movies-2/#!/Laurel-&-Hardy-Year-One/p/548888251/category=20414531

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2023 - 1:41 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Yes - absolutely. I'm doing the audio restoration for this set. The print restorations are sensational.

And if you haven't ordered LAUREL AND HARDY YEAR ONE from Flicker Alley - Do so now! They came up with amazing material on these seminal silents. https://www.flickeralley.com/classic-movies-2/#!/Laurel-&-Hardy-Year-One/p/548888251/category=20414531


That's great to hear, Ray!

Will Vol. 2 contain either "Unaccustomed As We Are" or "Blotto" (two of my early favorites)?

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2023 - 2:54 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)



Will Vol. 2 contain either "Unaccustomed As We Are" or "Blotto" (two of my early favorites)?


BLOTTO, yes. Unfortunately, the 1930 release version does not survive, only the 1937 reissue. "But what's there is cherce!"

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2023 - 3:54 AM   
 By:   Phil567   (Member)

Does anyone remember that trick Stan did with his thumb and fingers where he made it look like his thumb was the tip of his index finger and then he slides his thumb forward so it looks like his finger is cut in half?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2023 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Does anyone remember that trick Stan did with his thumb and fingers where he made it look like his thumb was the tip of his index finger and then he slides his thumb forward so it looks like his finger is cut in half?

I can do that! Easy peasy. Since primary school. And easy kneasy nosey, and the finger wiggle. What I can't do is light my thumb to get a flame to light a pipe like Stan does in Way Out West ( last Monday at the August Son's meeting on the lovely restoration from Ray and team) .

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2023 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Does anyone remember that trick Stan did with his thumb and fingers where he made it look like his thumb was the tip of his index finger and then he slides his thumb forward so it looks like his finger is cut in half?

I can do that! Easy peasy. Since primary school. And easy kneasy nosey, and the finger wiggle. What I can't do is light my thumb to get a flame to light a pipe like Stan does in Way Out West ( last Monday at the August Son's meeting on the lovely restoration from Ray and team) .


I've always wondered whether he could really wiggle his ears like he did in "Blotto" and one or two others. Or, were there little contraptions hidden behind his ears to make them move like that?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2023 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)



Will Vol. 2 contain either "Unaccustomed As We Are" or "Blotto" (two of my early favorites)?


BLOTTO, yes. Unfortunately, the 1930 release version does not survive, only the 1937 reissue. "But what's there is cherce!"



Is there a lot of difference between the 1930 version and the 1937 reissue?

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2023 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

The major difference is the soundtrack. All the incidental music on the current prints was composed by Leroy Shield in 1936 (the source music is original). The original prints would have had different underscoring. The main and end titles were remade / redesigned. Also, there were some 1937 censor cuts that Dick Bann detailed in his summary at http://laurel-and-hardy.com/films/talkies/blotto-synopsis.html

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2023 - 8:22 PM   
 By:   DOGBELLE   (Member)

SOME MORE LAUREL & HARDY INFO.
https://www.rogerebert.com/streaming/laurel-and-hardy-year-one-is-another-fine-blu-ray-from-flicker-alley

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2023 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   GreatGonzo   (Member)

SOME MORE LAUREL & HARDY INFO.
https://www.rogerebert.com/streaming/laurel-and-hardy-year-one-is-another-fine-blu-ray-from-flicker-alley


This is an awesome set.
Fantastic image quality, lots of bonus features, new scores. It's like watching these silents for the first time.

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2023 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Agreed! A must-have for fans of the Boys.

 
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