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 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I can't believe this is still an issue, after all these years. It doesn't even sound right musically the way some of these are presented.

You mean the LLL presentation?

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Yeah. I'm a big fan of a lot of the scores they're bringing out, just not crazy about how they're presented. I think almost every one I've bought has needed some sort of tinkering, and some of them send me rushing back to the original albums, like I'm Thor or something.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I've actually really enjoyed how LLL has presented expanded scores in recent years and I happen to love when the cues overlap within one track, instead of there being a breather between them. To me, this sounds more musical, more developed, instead of just a collection of short cues dumped onto a disc without any thought to listenability. It might be of in the style of how John Williams presents his scores on album, but it works. When the music is separated from the film viewing experience, some creativity by the album producer or composer in presenting the music in a listenable format is appreciated, at least by me. It's too jarring to simply have all the individual cues separate with space between them, especially when they can be so short, under a minute for example. It actually keeps it from being an enjoyable listen for me.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I've actually really enjoyed how LLL has presented expanded scores in recent years and I happen to love when the cues overlap within one track, instead of there being a breather between them. To me, this sounds more musical, more developed, instead of just a collection of short cues dumped onto a disc without any thought to listenability. It might be of in the style of how John Williams presents his scores on album, but it works. When the music is separated from the film viewing experience, some creativity by the album producer or composer in presenting the music in a listenable format is appreciated, at least by me. It's too jarring to simply have all the individual cues separate with space between them, especially when they can be so short, under a minute for example. It actually keeps it from being an enjoyable listen for me.

I disagree. There's a musical way to do it (though even Williams' own album arrangements are guilty of poor editing), but in the case of The Sum Of All Fears, it just seems random, arbitrary.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   Per   (Member)

I've actually really enjoyed how LLL has presented expanded scores in recent years and I happen to love when the cues overlap within one track, instead of there being a breather between them. To me, this sounds more musical, more developed, instead of just a collection of short cues dumped onto a disc without any thought to listenability. It might be of in the style of how John Williams presents his scores on album, but it works. When the music is separated from the film viewing experience, some creativity by the album producer or composer in presenting the music in a listenable format is appreciated, at least by me. It's too jarring to simply have all the individual cues separate with space between them, especially when they can be so short, under a minute for example. It actually keeps it from being an enjoyable listen for me.

(Not necessarily talking about this specific release (or LLL for that matter), but in general) But when there's no real combining, but merely a fade-out, and then fade-in again (and perhaps also with more or less silence in between), which do happen !, the end result is not a good listenable long piece at all, but instead, simply (or obviously) just several short pieces placed in one long track. And that's just messy...

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Both LLL and Intrada have done some poor editing here and there. But thankfully it never ruined a release for me. Much prefer the way FSM used to sequence musical cues. If I want to make it more "musical" I'll do my own editing.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Both LLL and Intrada have done some poor editing here and there. But thankfully it never ruined a release for me. Much prefer the way FSM used to sequence musical cues. If I want to make it more "musical" I'll do my own editing.

Unfortunately, I don't have the necessary software to do my own editing, so I'm fine with LLL and Intrada continuing this process. I prefer to allow the producers some sense of creativity in fashioning these albums, as I don't think they simply be an archival dump of every cue separated out. Our home libraries are not studio libraries and I don't want the extra work of figuring out how the hell I should combine cues on my own computer. When I want to make a playlist or compilation, I can just take the track as its presented.

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Both LLL and Intrada have done some poor editing here and there. But thankfully it never ruined a release for me. Much prefer the way FSM used to sequence musical cues. If I want to make it more "musical" I'll do my own editing.

Unfortunately, I don't have the necessary software to do my own editing, so I'm fine with LLL and Intrada continuing this process. I prefer to allow the producers some sense of creativity in fashioning these albums, as I don't think they simply be an archival dump of every cue separated out. Our home libraries are not studio libraries and I don't want the extra work of figuring out how the hell I should combine cues on my own computer. When I want to make a playlist or compilation, I can just take the track as its presented.


True. There are those in the Thor crowd. Who don't know how, or have no interest in fine tuning their playlist on their own. So they rely and trust the labels with a total creative solution.

What I do find weird however is the randomness of all of this. For example Intrada's Star Trek 4 had "Starfleet Command/On Vulcan/Spock" all in one cue but not crossed faded. In this case I would have crossed faded those very short cues. And in fact did. At least I was able to do that on my own because of the way they presented it on disc.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2014 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

How does the audio quality of the La La Land THE SUM OF ALL FEARS compare to the original Elektra version?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2014 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

To repeat my question: How does the audio quality of the La La Land THE SUM OF ALL FEARS compare to the original Elektra version?

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2014 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   The Projectionist   (Member)

To repeat my question: How does the audio quality of the La La Land THE SUM OF ALL FEARS compare to the original Elektra version?

It sounds about the same sound quality wise...the major differences are in the mixes of electronics and choir from what I can detect.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2014 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

THE PROJECTIONIST:

Thanks for the info.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2014 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

The sound is better/broader on the LLL and the little digital pops present on Elektra's "Deserted Lab" are gone.

I just wish the editing of LLLs album was better. It would have been a perfect presentation.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2014 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

I was going to say, its good enough that the click track comes through loud and clear on the film version of Clear the Stadium ;-)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2014 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I was going to say, its good enough that the click track comes through loud and clear on the film version of Clear the Stadium ;-)

A shame the last note doesn't!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2014 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

SPYMASTER:

I'm wondering the most about "Nessun Dorma"----does the LLL version sound a lot better than Elecktra's?

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2014 - 12:48 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Is SUM OF ALL FEARS this being re-pressed to correct a few anomalies of editing as described in a few posts or is it being re-pressed for the remainder of the inventories. My order is on hold apparently from SAE probably because of this and the statement on the order page says "THIS TITLE IS BRING REPRESSED FROM THE MANUFACTURER" Just wondering if I missed out any update on this..

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2014 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Is SUM OF ALL FEARS this being re-pressed to correct a few anomalies of editing as described in a few posts or is it being re-pressed for the remainder of the inventories. My order is on hold apparently from SAE probably because of this and the statement on the order page says "THIS TITLE IS BRING REPRESSED FROM THE MANUFACTURER" Just wondering if I missed out any update on this..

That would be nice, but they'd have to fix 90% of their catalog if that was the case.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2014 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Is SUM OF ALL FEARS this being re-pressed to correct a few anomalies of editing as described in a few posts or is it being re-pressed for the remainder of the inventories. My order is on hold apparently from SAE probably because of this and the statement on the order page says "THIS TITLE IS BRING REPRESSED FROM THE MANUFACTURER" Just wondering if I missed out any update on this..

I'd love for them to correct their VERY questionable editing decisions but, alas, I doubt this is going to happen any time soon :-(

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2014 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Is SUM OF ALL FEARS this being re-pressed to correct a few anomalies of editing as described in a few posts or is it being re-pressed for the remainder of the inventories. My order is on hold apparently from SAE probably because of this and the statement on the order page says "THIS TITLE IS BRING REPRESSED FROM THE MANUFACTURER" Just wondering if I missed out any update on this..

You are misinterpreting what Screen Archives posted. The cd is OUT OF STOCK. There is nothing wrong with the original pressing.

I repeat: There is no repressing forthcoming. It is merely OUT OF STOCK.

More units will be back in stock by months end.

MV

 
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