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 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 3:16 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Can someone explain the "droid" theme from Empire? I can't place what this would be.

Yeah, I'm confused too...


It plays when R2 and 3PO appear, when R2 is scanning for Luke (well, it would have, it's dialed out in the film), when R2 bobs along underwater, and when R2 is puttering around fixing the Falcon. Wow, that's WAY more than Luke and Leia!


Oh, I'm sorry. I got confused; I meant the "The Imperial Probe" (SE, Disc One, Track 4). There's a whole bunch of music there that does not appear in the film....



BTW: I agree with you, Other Tallguy; "Ben's Theme" (AKA "The Force Theme") is the best theme EVER!!!

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

My favorite use of this cue is heard right after Lando says, "This deal is getting worse all the time" and it cuts to Chewie attempting to repair 3P0.

That's a good one. Really good. And not on CD until 1997!

Oh, as to the Rebel Theme being used in the Sail Barge for Luke's lightsaber - it follows the same progression as the end titles - BIG Luke Theme transitioning to Rebel Theme.

Williams used Luke's theme to introduce the saber in ESB and ROTJ. In fact, other than a brief quote during the Rancor pit you don't hear Luke's Theme in ROTJ until then. (Not counting the titles, of course.)

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 7:52 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

This has little to do with anything, but one of Williams' cleverest uses of Yoda's theme was in his score for "E.T."(1982):

http://movieclips.com/x4vA-et-the-extra-terrestrial-movie-halloween/

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

A little off-topic: Does *anyone* know what the track "The Imperial Probe" (SE Disc One, track 4) was supposed to cover, other than the short bit at the beginning which *was* used in the film to replace Williams' original music that accompanied the opening scenes of the probe heading toward Hoth?

I gotta know!! (I've been asking in various threads forever it seems.)

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

A little off-topic: Does *anyone* know what the track "The Imperial Probe" (SE Disc One, track 4) was supposed to cover, other than the short bit at the beginning which *was* used in the film to replace Williams' original music that accompanied the opening scenes of the probe heading toward Hoth?

I gotta know!! (I've been asking in various threads forever it seems.)


I believe it's for the scenes of the probe finding the shield generators, the rebels finding out about it, and Han and Chewie blowing it up. Then it moves to the Imperial fleet. IIRC you can track it pretty well to the existing unscored film.

The game Dark Forces II used the daylights out of that music.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 6:10 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

A little off-topic: Does *anyone* know what the track "The Imperial Probe" (SE Disc One, track 4) was supposed to cover, other than the short bit at the beginning which *was* used in the film to replace Williams' original music that accompanied the opening scenes of the probe heading toward Hoth?

I gotta know!! (I've been asking in various threads forever it seems.)


I believe it's for the scenes of the probe finding the shield generators, the rebels finding out about it, and Han and Chewie blowing it up. Then it moves to the Imperial fleet. IIRC you can track it pretty well to the existing unscored film.

The game Dark Forces II used the daylights out of that music.


Thanks!!

I wonder why it wasn't used...(?)


Added: Wasn't there also some deleted footage of the probe attacking an investigating pilot and his snowspeeder? (Which would explain Han's otherwise unexplained line, "It isn't friendly, whatever it is.")

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Thanks!!

I wonder why it wasn't used...(?)


Added: Wasn't there also some deleted footage of the probe attacking an investigating pilot and his snowspeeder? (Which would explain Han's otherwise unexplained line, "It isn't friendly, whatever it is.")


I figured Han's line was in reaction to the radio bursting into static. No other scene needed (IMO).

As for the music not being used there was a lot of good music that got dialed out in the opening act of ESB. Good music (really good in most cases) but I think the film was better for it. I think today's SF films loose sight of the value of being able to hear these worlds as the characters hear them. One of the reasons I love the Kobayashi Maru in Wrath of Khan - It's a whole space battle with no score! How often do you hear that?

While we're rambling on about Star Wars music: Was the love theme from AOTC and attempt to tie into the theme that plays during the final duel between Luke and Vader? After six films this GORGEOUS music comes out of nowhere, thematically at the climax to the whole saga. What do you all think?

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Bibliomike   (Member)

Very disappointing purchasing the soundtrack back in 83
and discovering it was only a single LP. Oh, and the fact that Lapti Nek was included to boot.


I had the exact same reaction - I had just turned 11 and had saved birthday money to purchase the soundtrack album (at the princely sum of $10, I think!) - and felt really ripped off, especially since it came in a 2-LP case. Unlike you, however, I really enjoyed "Lapti Nek." I certainly do miss that track now that it's gone!

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 4:36 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Other Tallguy, regarding your comments about ESB being a better film for some early scenes lacking music:

I agree. A lot of people attack Lucas (and Spielberg, etc.) for "dialing out" music, as if there's some willful attempt to insult Williams (or whatever composer) by not using the (usually) beautiful music they composed for a scene. Sometimes a scene simply works better without music, and film score fans sometimes forget (in their love of the music) that it's there to serve the film --- not the other way around. (There are a few exceptions where music has been edited to the point of butchery {see the aforementioned "AOTC"}, and thus, distraction, but more often than not, we score fans are mistakenly asserting that the film is there to serve our interests; the music.)

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

[ I think today's SF films loose sight of the value of being able to hear these worlds as the characters hear them. One of the reasons I love the Kobayashi Maru in Wrath of Khan - It's a whole space battle with no score! How often do you hear that?


Well it was a simulation battle. I can't imagine Starfleet piping in James Horner action motif during the simulation. wink Though you point is well taken.

I agree. A lot of people attack Lucas (and Spielberg, etc.) for "dialing out" music, as if there's some willful attempt to insult Williams (or whatever composer) by not using the (usually) beautiful music they composed for a scene. Sometimes a scene simply works better without music, and film score fans sometimes forget (in their love of the music) that it's there to serve the film --- not the other way around.

Yes! A good example would be "The Last Battle" in Star Wars. It starts out with score, but the middle was scoreless then Williams returns again with triumphant music. The music is awesome, but that intense middle section with no score not only drew one into that moment, it elevated Williams glorious ending.

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   emusician   (Member)

By the way... Happy 30th year anniversary to Return of the Jedi today!!!

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

By the way... Happy 30th year anniversary to Return of the Jedi today!!!

I signed in to say just that.

I read somewhere (might be Lukas' notes on the Anthology) that the last section of Star Wars before the battle went unscored for precisely the reason of giving the music a break so it would have more impact during the battle.

How much of Jedi is unscored? What is the last scene without music? (ARE there any scenes without music?)

Hmmm. Maybe today I'll sit down and try to do my LP mix. Are there any crazy mixes (or even un-crazy mixes) on the Jedi LP? There aren't are there? I mean, you get the unused Funeral Pyre but that's it...

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

By the way... Happy 30th year anniversary to Return of the Jedi today!!!

Actually, I was celebrating "A New Hope"'s (AKA "Star Wars"'s) 36th Anniversary by watching the unaltered cut. A strange number to commemorate, I know, but that's the one I enjoy more. It's been a while since I watched it anyway....

I watched "Empire" on the 21st, and "Jedi" a few days ago.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

How much of Jedi is unscored? What is the last scene without music? (ARE there any scenes without music?)

The only scene I can think of off-hand is the speederbike chase, although there've got to be others....

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

By the way... Happy 30th year anniversary to Return of the Jedi today!!!

Hard to believe it's been thirty years! Jedi is the earliest movie I can remember seeing in the theater. I was about four-and-a-half years old. Seems like it was just yesterday.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

By the way... Happy 30th year anniversary to Return of the Jedi today!!!

Hard to believe it's been thirty years! Jedi is the earliest movie I can remember seeing in the theater. I was about four-and-a-half years old. Seems like it was just yesterday.



I remember being at the midnight showing on May 25, 1983, and what a blast we all had!!

(!!!!!SPOILER AHEAD!!!!!!!)

I don't think I've ever heard cheers (in a theater, that is) so loud as when Vader/Anakin threw Palpatine into the shaft and later when his spirit appeared standing next to Obi-Wan's and Yoda's. Totally corny, I know. But that's how we "Star Wars" fans felt about that saga.... {wipes tear from eye --- FADE OUT.}

(SPOILER OVER)

wink

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

While we're rambling on about Star Wars music: Was the love theme from AOTC and attempt to tie into the theme that plays during the final duel between Luke and Vader? After six films this GORGEOUS music comes out of nowhere, thematically at the climax to the whole saga. What do you all think?


The minor-key men's chorus theme that plays during the final duel between Luke and Vader (the Emperor's theme?) returns in The Phantom Menace, rescored as a major-key tune for children's chorus (singing "ya, ya, ya") in the big parade scene at the end.

I've actually always thought of the love theme from AOTC as a minor-key variation of the Luke Skywalker theme.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I remember being at the midnight showing on May 25, 1983, and what a blast we all had!!

(!!!!!SPOILER AHEAD!!!!!!!)

I don't think I've ever heard cheers (in a theater, that is) so loud as when Vader/Anakin threw Palpatine into the shaft and later when his spirit appeared standing next to Obi-Wan's and Yoda's. Totally corny, I know. But that's how we "Star Wars" fans felt about that saga.... {wipes tear from eye --- FADE OUT.}

(SPOILER OVER)

wink


Yeah, I can still remember the audience bursting into applause when Luke catches and ignites the lightsaber during the Sarlacc battle, when Vader defeats the Emperor, and when the Millennium Falcon bursts out of the flames just before the Death Star explodes. My mom and grandmother took me and one of my cousins to see it at the Cinema 150 (sadly, now gone) in Santa Clara, CA. The screen was huge, probably even moreso to us since we were little, and no doubt it's what started my love of going to the movies.

 
 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

While we're rambling on about Star Wars music: Was the love theme from AOTC and attempt to tie into the theme that plays during the final duel between Luke and Vader? After six films this GORGEOUS music comes out of nowhere, thematically at the climax to the whole saga. What do you all think?


The minor-key men's chorus theme that plays during the final duel between Luke and Vader (the Emperor's theme?) returns in The Phantom Menace, rescored as a major-key tune for children's chorus (singing "ya, ya, ya") in the big parade scene at the end.

I've actually always thought of the love theme from AOTC as a minor-key variation of the Luke Skywalker theme.



I can definitely hear Palpatine's Theme in the parade music at the conclusion of TPM, but I never noticed the love theme from AOTC being a variation on Luke's Theme. However, I don't know enough about music *structure* to comment on that particular one.

I do hear similarities between The Imperial March and Anakin's Theme, though....

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I can definitely hear Palpatine's Theme in the parade music at the conclusion of TPM, but I never noticed the love theme from AOTC being a variation on Luke's Theme. However, I don't know enough about music *structure* to comment on that particular one.


Structure is the best clue into hearing the similarity in this case. If you hum Luke's theme, saying "dum . . . dum . . . dum-dum-dum-DUM-dum, dum-dum-dum-DUM-dum, dum-dum-dum-dum . . ." an then try it with "Across the Stars" I think you'll hear it.

Listen particularly for instances of the pattern "dum-dum-dum-DUM-dum."

 
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