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 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 1:17 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Er, have to respectfully disagree. Most of TNG, probably, I'll grant you that along with early DS9 and even maybe the first season or 2 of Voyager. But when you get to later Voyager and DS9 and Enterprise, there is truly some outstanding stuff there that is anything but low key.


One problem for a lot of us is the sheer number of episodes involved. The four spinoff series (TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT) put together have 617 episodes. Quite a few of those, I saw only once each, and I'm not 100 percent sure I even saw every episode of ENTERPRISE.

Q: Were any of those 617 episodes tracked entirely with pre-existing music, or perhaps partially?


All of these episodes of the spin-off series had original scores commissioned for them.

Some shows did recycle a few cues from earlier scores, but 99% of the time, they had original scores.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

To be honest, the amount of recognition a composer's STAR TREK music gets has less to do with how much the guy wrote or how good it is and more to do with how much the guy got heard.

In that sense, having your music re-used a lot may serve the recognition of one's music better.

Fred Steiner did not write the most music for STAR TREK, but because TOS has had 20 years more of repeats than any other series (and is possibly still the most-watched today, and it re-used lots of his music), his 'voice' may be the most heard, recognized and 'associated-with' voice of anyone apart from the original series' main theme.

I agree with everyone saying STAR TREK: TMP is the pinnacle of all STAR TREK musical achievements, but apart from the opening sequence (Main Theme and Klingon Battle), I think Goldsmith's TMP music has a relatively poor recognition rate with the viewing public at large. Certainly less recognition than some of the better known, oft-re-used original series music.

In that sense, some of the most famous music from TOS may be implanted as the most 'identiftied-with' and iconic of STAR TREK music.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 2:58 AM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

Good question...

...and I'm going to say Horner...just 'cos...for me he is the sound of Star Trek...

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 3:01 AM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

All of these episodes of the spin-off series had original scores commissioned for them.

Some shows did recycle a few cues from earlier scores, but 99% of the time, they had original scores.


Ford A. Thaxton


Working on any at the moment? wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 5:12 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

It's aesthetically and practically impossible to place the TV series, especially the early TOS with the movie scores, because they're different animals, with different requirements.

The OS was conceived still in the era of leitmotif/short stings/drama underlining TV music, and is very well crafted often for smaller ensembles. The movies required a bigger sound, and the later TV stuff was partially in the drone era.

As regards TOS, as regards taste, the early people like Fried, Steiner, Mullendore, Fielding, Kaplan would work for me, even if Courage's main title theme was a little cheesy (apart from the fanfare). Goldsmith was not engaged in the early TV projects, but he'd 've undoubtedly produced something in the same vein as said gents. Similarly, they'd have upped the scale had they been composing for the film versions.

And some of us do like the Rosenman.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)


I think Goldsmith's TMP music has a relatively poor recognition rate with the viewing public at large. Certainly less recognition than some of the better known, oft-re-used original series music.


I fail to see the relevance in that. The general viewing public doesn't know one score from another apart from their themes. All the really important stuff, the tissue that connects those themes to a whole, are more felt rather than "seen" by the general audience. We're some of the few who really take time to appreciate a score as a complete organism and evaluate its quality.

Goldsmith's music for STTMP makes him not only the best but the most important composer for the franchise post-TOS cancellation. His music defined what Star Trek music is... that influence is felt from STWOK clear on into the subsequent TV spin-offs and even, to a far lesser degree, into Giacchino's scores.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

You need to read my whole post to understand the relevance of the comment.

And that point is he wrote the best score but he did NOT define STAR TREK music to the wider STAR TREK viewing public. It's the composers whose music they hear again-and-again that define it for them. That was the point of my post and that's why it's relevant to the point I was making.

To put it another way, if there is any music people really associate with their experience of STAR TREK, it's less likely to be Goldsmith's score for TMP and more likely to be that much re-used music in TOS.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

You need to read my whole post to understand the relevance of the comment.

And that point is he wrote the best score but he did NOT define STAR TREK music to the wider STAR TREK viewing public. It's the composers whose music they hear again-and-again that define it for them. That was the point of my post and that's why it's relevant to the point I was making.

To put it another way, if there is any music people really associate with their experience of STAR TREK, it's less likely to be Goldsmith's score for TMP and more likely to be that much re-used music in TOS.


But that's not fair either as it is re-used. In has become ingrained through decades of reruns. The movies don't have that advantage.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2013 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Jerry Goldsmith, bar none. Star Trek - The Motion Picture is a serious contender for best score ever, whether for Star Trek or not, TV or movie, whatever. I'm agog to think it's even a question.

After him? Tough, tough choice - there's a lot of excellent music for this franchise over the decades from several truly fine composers.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2013 - 2:18 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

One little side benefit of this thread is that all the TMP accolades have spurred me to play it again. This is an evergreen, but one that seldom finds its way into my rotation. It's almost 34 years old now and has never sounded better-- especially if you splurged for the LLL edition, as I did.

STAR TREK music began with TOS and expanded to fill a whole world, but it's no exaggeration to say that it began again, rather than continued, with TMP.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2013 - 4:06 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Only Goldsmith could accomplish something like this.

 
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