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 Posted:   Nov 25, 2012 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

I reviewed the The Hot Rock - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (1972) [SD LP 6055], which is Atlantic Records. Musically, this is really not my thing. The movie is OK with George Segal and Robert Redford. Chuck Rainey and Ray Brown both play bass on this QJ record, which is nice. Tommy Tedesco plays guitar, which is why I got it in the first place bc of the guitar solo on the Hot Rock Theme. Some other guys you may recognize: Clark Terry, Gerry Mulligan, Grady Tate, Dennis Budimir.

- The main title, which is LP track #2, uses some sort of electric harpsichord; I'm just about sure it's not a Clavinet.

- The 4th LP track, Seldom Seen Sam, again has the electric harpsichord. Still pretty sure it's not a Clavinet.

- In a funky-70s first, I believe the 5th LP track, Parole Party, uses a flute with a Crybaby Wah-Wah pedal that is being opened and closed very slowly.

- The electric harpsichord is used lightly on the R-channel on LP track 7, The Hot Rock Theme. It's a nice guitar solo on the track, which I mentioned above. I think he uses a phaser very conservatively. He uses a phased Fender Rhodes in the R-channel. This one sounds almost like something from Tom Scott and The LA Connection.

- I'm just about sure that the last track, the End Title, is using a phased Fender Rhodes in the L-channel.


So, no Clavinet on the Hot Rock. I knew there was that eHarpsichord-type instrument, which is why I noted it to revisit.


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60s vs. 70s: I think it became so associated with the 70s that it became cliche. You have the biggest artists in all genres using it. So, as a cliche, it was effectively removed from the arsenal until three decades later. Guys are making retro-sounding STs now in some cases, like David Holmes, and the Clavinet can be useful in those situations.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2012 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

The electric piano on that Piccioni track from 1963 sounds very good indeed, but I doubt it's
a Clavinet seeing that this score was recorded one year before that model appeared on the
market. I also don't think it sounds exactly like a clavinet, whose sound isn't quite as bright and
clean as the keyboard featured in Piccioni's cue. Could be a Hohner Cembalet or possibly an
early Wurlitzer ep, I'm not totally sure.

 
 Posted:   Nov 25, 2012 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

Thanks Mik! So TR, no go on Piero Piccioni's LE MANI SULLA CITTA' (HANDS OVER THE CITY) from 1963. Sorry bud, but you did get Point Blank, which is very important too.


I know alot of members dig him, so here is a pic of Vangelis using a Clavinet I or II:

 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2013 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Mr Drive   (Member)

Just read in a book that Zeitlin's Body Snatchers uses a clavinet (among lots of other stuff). Believe it's not been mentioned yet. Information is quotet from a 1979 interview w/Zeitlin in keyboard magazine.

Haven't found it in the youtube samples though.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2013 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

A couple of clavinet-heavy cues from Gianni Marchetti's soundtrack to "Disposta A Tutto" (1977).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVCyU7Z0zIg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IDNd9Lg3hw

 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2013 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   wayoutwest   (Member)

A couple of clavinet-heavy cues from Gianni Marchetti's soundtrack to "Disposta A Tutto" (1977).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVCyU7Z0zIg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IDNd9Lg3hw


I was looking at samples for that LP awhile ago they seem very different to the music from the trailer would love the music from it have been wondering if it is the original film score or maybe they have just tracked it in.
(18)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp_J3pc4Hc8

 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2013 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   wayoutwest   (Member)

This is a very cool thread looking over it I own and love most of those titles that have been released on cd I never knew what a Clavinet was but think I recognise it now as being something that I've always loved.

 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2013 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

Nice. Happy New Year Mik!!! How do you identify these films, brotha? Amazing. (And even moreso if you've actually seen most of them.)

BTW, only one entry away from the 50th; that'll be pretty good (so far).


The "Clavinet in Film" thread is a pretty groovin place to hang, West. You'll dig it for sure. Real retro. Old school.

 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2013 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Hey lexedo!

Do you have the FSM album EYE OF THE DEVIL?

Been listening to this CD a number of times this month, and I think I hear an electric harpsichord but I'm not sure.

Probably not a clavinet, but you might want to sample tracks 4 and/or 9, if possible, and tell what you think?

It's from 1966 and recorded at C.T.S. in England, so it may be possible the clavinet had migrated from Germany to U.K. after '64 but before '67.
Or does lexedo think that the clavinet came directly from Europe to the U.S. ?

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2013 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

Hey lexedo!

Do you have the FSM album EYE OF THE DEVIL?

Been listening to this CD a number of times this month, and I think I hear an electric harpsichord but I'm not sure.

Probably not a clavinet, but you might want to sample tracks 4 and/or 9, if possible, and tell what you think?

It's from 1966 and recorded at C.T.S. in England, so it may be possible the clavinet had migrated from Germany to U.K. after '64 but before '67.
Or does lexedo think that the clavinet came directly from Europe to the U.S. ?


What's up TR, buddy. It's a tough call. It seems as if we have early adoption basically in FR, IT, and the US. From an American perspective, it seems as if the late-60s jazz/RB/funk guys started to use it, probably in lieu of a Hammond organ, which is where the funksters were in the late-50s to late-60s -- think like Jimmy Smith with Lalo Schifrin, bc this is what the old-school jazzers consider "funk." Even listening to one of the first uses in Grusin's Streetbeater w QJ, notice how he uses it more as a rhythmic device than say, a harpsichord. Herbie Hancock used to do the same in live shows during the 70s. Very cool.

I'll check Eye of the Devil sometime later this week, unless someone else can verify before me.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2013 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   wayoutwest   (Member)

You might enjoy these tracks lexedo not from a film though



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu2Bo0MgD9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t7phQG23Hs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTlecspRQqY

Daydream
http://www.cometaedizionimusicali.it/daydream.htm

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2013 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   BJN   (Member)



I know alot of members dig him, so here is a pic of Vangelis using a Clavinet I or II:


And here's a clip of Vangelis playing a Clavinet on top of his Hammond. He also plays kazoo and sings... Equipment fetishists wink can spot the Echorec as well.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2013 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   wayoutwest   (Member)

Love that track BJN and have not heard it in a long time that was one of the things that I've also been wondering about what is the range of sounds that the Clavinet can produce.

Think I'm able to recognise some of the obvious Stevie Wonder type Superstition style of playing but was unable to hear that in the brief moments playing during The End of the World. Was wondering about a few other artists earlier Richard Evans "Patutu" from Dealing with Hard Times was unable to detect if it was on that album but could hear it in his self titled album track Burning Spear
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx7MkiYYmTg

Will try to get back on track to scores. wink

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2013 - 6:02 AM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

Nice. Very cool, West. I have a few Italian records from the 70s, and they get it. Man, Euros love their progressive music...

Re Early Adopters: It is sensible to include the UK wrt early adopters bc of Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson, Alan Parsons, etc. -- just very few film music references.

Hey Drive, it would be real cool if we could locate a link or reference to the article about Body Snatcher. I tried for about 40 seconds just before this post, but no luck amigo.


Anyway, I like all the posts, even if some are not film music. I became interested in the Clavinet when I was young bc I realized I could comp Clavinet lines on my Fender Jazz bass if I turned the tone high to the bright side, and used very new strings.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2013 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   Mr Drive   (Member)

Hey Drive, it would be real cool if we could locate a link or reference to the article about Body Snatcher. I tried for about 40 seconds just before this post, but no luck amigo.

Couldn't confirm it myself yet. There's this:

http://www.dennyzeitlin.com/DZ_Archives.php

In one interview (Down Beat, 1979) he mentions owning a clavinet (pg. 41). In another (Contemporary Keyboard, also 1979) he talks about the movie a lot but doesn't mention that he used it. My book (Frank Hentschel: Töne der Angst [Sounds of Fear], in German, about music in horror movies) also mentions an Email written by Zeitlin to the author.

Interesting articles btw.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2013 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

Nice. Happy New Year Mik!!! How do you identify these films, brotha? Amazing. (And even moreso if you've actually seen most of them.)

BTW, only one entry away from the 50th; that'll be pretty good (so far).


Thanks, Happy New Year to you too!

Here are a couple of more soundtracks that feature the Clavinet:

Poliziotti violenti (1976)-Guido & Maurizio De Angelis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-awOyPBW10

Foxes (1980) - Giorgio Moroder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usMfjtwgmFo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMC3nRUwE3w

American Gigolo (1980) - Giorgio Moroder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUp9b9T1mO0 (instr. version of "Call Me")

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2013 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

Hey Drive, it would be real cool if we could locate a link or reference to the article about Body Snatcher. I tried for about 40 seconds just before this post, but no luck amigo.

Couldn't confirm it myself yet. There's this:

http://www.dennyzeitlin.com/DZ_Archives.php

In one interview (Down Beat, 1979) he mentions owning a clavinet (pg. 41). In another (Contemporary Keyboard, also 1979) he talks about the movie a lot but doesn't mention that he used it. My book (Frank Hentschel: Töne der Angst [Sounds of Fear], in German, about music in horror movies) also mentions an Email written by Zeitlin to the author.

Interesting articles btw.


Yes, very interesting articles indeed.

I have Denny Zeitlin's electronic/orchestral score on CD and I love it. I can't recall I've heard any clavinet in there but it may be buried in the mix.

In any case, I believe BODY SNATCHERS is the very first movie to feature the Sequential Circuits Prophet synthesizer, namely the original single keyboard Prophet 10, of which only a half dozen units were made. Zeitlin uses this synth to great effect in his score.

I'm only aware of one other movie score that features this particular synth (not to be confused with the more common double manual Prophet 10) and that is Dan Wyman's excellent horror score to HELL NIGHT (1981), unfortunately still unreleased.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2013 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

How did I miss American Gigolo, I just re-watched that the other week? Drats!!! I was probably too busy drooling over Julian's Capezios. :-|

Thanks to Mik (as usual), we are well over 50 entries for Clavinet uses in film. That is outstanding folks!

[edit]I wonder if that's a Mesa Boogie head in tan to the right in the Vangelis pic; it looks just like a Mark I head. Mesa Boogies were the best back then.

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2013 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

THE NIGHT OF THE FOLLOWING DAY (1968) does not have a soundtrack album, but a very nice sampling of the music by Stanley Myers can be heard in the movie trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE38qDiz5Z0&feature=player_detailpage

From about 20 seconds into & up to the 1 minute mark, I think I hear an electric harpsichord (but it's probably another instrument). Just thought lexedo might want to hear it for himself in case it is a clavinet.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   mikael488   (Member)

The Clavinet also shows up in a track or two from Stelvio Cipriani's disco/pop-flavored score to "Rollerboy" (1981):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx4JJ1tYpjs ( @8:44)

 
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