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 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

While we're rambling on about Star Wars music: Was the love theme from AOTC and attempt to tie into the theme that plays during the final duel between Luke and Vader? After six films this GORGEOUS music comes out of nowhere, thematically at the climax to the whole saga. What do you all think?


The minor-key men's chorus theme that plays during the final duel between Luke and Vader (the Emperor's theme?) returns in The Phantom Menace, rescored as a major-key tune for children's chorus (singing "ya, ya, ya") in the big parade scene at the end.

I've actually always thought of the love theme from AOTC as a minor-key variation of the Luke Skywalker theme.


Sorry, not the Emperor's theme (which is totally the parade music, yeah) I mean the music that goes from when Vader says "You have a twin sister!" and Luke shouts "No!" to when Luke cuts off Vader's hand. 1:13 in Final Duel on the Anthology. THEN the Emperor's theme plays at 1:50. A similar (if not the same) motif plays when Yoda vanishes. 5:10 in The Death of Yoda on the Anthology.

Wow, that whole thing is only 37 seconds long?!? I'd say that piece is 75% of what I wanted the FOUR DISC Anthology for. We're crazy people!

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

On the original LP and CD there are some eerie slide whistling effects for the first few bars of the track The Emporer. They're quiet effective really. These whistles are not present on the same cue on both the Anthology and 2CD special editions. Could this track have been rerecorded for the original album?

 
 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 10:55 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

On the original LP and CD there are some eerie slide whistling effects for the first few bars of the track The Emporer. They're quiet effective really. These whistles are not present on the same cue on both the Anthology and 2CD special editions. Could this track have been rerecorded for the original album?

I doubt it was a re-recording for the original album, but instead a synth overlay that could not be located or was not in the tapes used for the Anthology and 2CD set.

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 12:52 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Similar whistling effects are heard in "Faking The Code" as the shuttle flys over Vaders Star Destroyer.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 12:57 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

On the original LP and CD there are some eerie slide whistling effects for the first few bars of the track The Emporer. They're quiet effective really. These whistles are not present on the same cue on both the Anthology and 2CD special editions. Could this track have been rerecorded for the original album?

I doubt it was a re-recording for the original album, but instead a synth overlay that could not be located or was not in the tapes used for the Anthology and 2CD set.



I always assumed the Anthology mix was the same as the one on RSO, just remastered and cleaned-up a bit. Interesting. I'll have to dig out my old RSO "Jedi" disc...

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2013 - 4:09 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)




I always assumed the Anthology mix was the same as the one on RSO, just remastered and cleaned-up a bit. Interesting. I'll have to dig out my old RSO "Jedi" disc...


Listen to the first couple of verses of the the Emperors theme after the intro. The whistles are very similar to the effect
Jerry Goldsmith used in Alien ("Hanging On") as the Face hugger is revealed attached to Cain.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2018 - 12:26 AM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

So it seems we are no closer to obtaining the proposed tracklist for this enigma of film music?

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2018 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

I remember being extremely disappointed when I saw that RotJ had just a single album release. I didn't buy it straight away as I did with the first two thinking those shops had only got the single edition and I was waiting for the proper, double album set, only caving in when I realised there would be no two record set.

It's a shame they didn't realise that those people keen enough to buy soundtrack albums would be the same crowd (ie soundtrack enthusiasts like us) that made the other two sell, even if in other music genres double albums may well have gone down in sales.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2018 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

So it seems we are no closer to obtaining the proposed tracklist for this enigma of film music?

I thought of this when last year's Close Encounters came out with something approximating a 2LP that was planned for 1977.

Although I don't know if Jedi even got to the planning stage before it was determined to be a single LP.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2018 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

Although there are plenty of quibbles with the sound / mastering of the '97 release, I'm immensely pleased that there's so much music from the film (and its two predecessors) available now (score and source music alike).

I agree. I think people are *way* too hard on the 1997 2-disc Special Edition releases. I guess my ears aren't finely attuned enough to hear the sound/mastering problems people have been complaining about all these years.

Admittedly, I don't like some of the connected cues and segues/"suites" presentations, but at least the music is there, and in film order.


I remember loading those double albums up for a long car trip, when I got them. I was aware of Chris Malone's criticism. By the time I got to ROTJ, despite hours of listening fatigue and road noise, the limitations of 'Retrun...' albums was still plain as day. The msstering is some kind of terrible, terrible mistake.

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2018 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


I've been told definitively (can't name sources) that there is no evidence Return of the Jedi was ever going to be anything but a 1 LP release.

Lukas

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2018 - 6:59 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I've been told definitively (can't name sources) that there is no evidence Return of the Jedi was ever going to be anything but a 1 LP release.

Lukas


Phony made-up “sources.” Sad!

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2018 - 7:32 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I've been told definitively (can't name sources) that there is no evidence Return of the Jedi was ever going to be anything but a 1 LP release.

Lukas


Phony made-up “sources.” Sad!


LOL!

Even so, why was the OST such a failure? So much boring music on the LP, so much good music left off. Williams was a master at putting these albums together. Was he forced to construct an LP presentation before he finished the score?

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2018 - 8:04 PM   
 By:   General Kael   (Member)

I've been told definitively (can't name sources) that there is no evidence Return of the Jedi was ever going to be anything but a 1 LP release.

Lukas


Phony made-up “sources.” Sad!


Best joke on these boards in a long time!

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2018 - 8:07 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

I've been told definitively (can't name sources) that there is no evidence Return of the Jedi was ever going to be anything but a 1 LP release.

Lukas


That's quite odd. I wonder what the rationale behind that was.

On the original LP and CD there are some eerie slide whistling effects for the first few bars of the track The Emporer. They're quiet effective really. These whistles are not present on the same cue on both the Anthology and 2CD special editions. Could this track have been rerecorded for the original album?

Are they present on the latest re-release?

 
 Posted:   May 20, 2018 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

I've been told definitively (can't name sources) that there is no evidence Return of the Jedi was ever going to be anything but a 1 LP release.

Lukas

Wow what a let down!
I suppose if any William's score from that early 80's period was to be 2LP's it would have been Raiders. But when you think about it if you dont count the scratching of the Jabba concert version which I think was recorded for inclusion on the album but wasn't for whatever reason the whole Jedi Album would have been primarily concert versions and Lapti Nek!

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2018 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I suppose if any William's score from that early 80's period was to be 2LP's it would have been Raiders. But when you think about it if you dont count the scratching of the Jabba concert version which I think was recorded for inclusion on the album but wasn't included for whatever reason the whole Jedi Album would have been primarily concert versions and Lapti Nek!

That's no different from how Williams organized any film score for its album; E.T. is a prominent example.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2018 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

It's ironic that Fox (or Lucasfilm) was willing to release the score for the original Star Wars on an expensive 2-record set -- when that film that was expected to tank.

Yet Return of the Jedi -- a guaranteed hit -- was only given one disc (at the very least they could have issued a "volume 2" album later on, as was done with Ben-Hur).

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2018 - 8:56 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)


Even so, why was the OST such a failure? So much boring music on the LP, so much good music left off. Williams was a master at putting these albums together. Was he forced to construct an LP presentation before he finished the score?


I'd say that's a good bet. It's happened before.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2018 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   adamtrons   (Member)

Great post! I often wondered why Return of the Jedi was not released as a 2 disc set. There was a lot of “Dark Side” music that I wanted such as The Emperor Arrives, The Emperor’s Throne Room and Darth Vader’s Death. I remember buying “John Williams: The Star Wars Trilogy” by Varujan Kojian / Utah Symphony Orchestra and being so excited to get Vader’s Death. It’s always bothered me someone evidently lost the music to The Max Rebo Band Sail Barge performance. Although it is not the classic that Cantina Band is, it would have been great fun to have this track. I think if they had released a 2 disc set, this would have been included and now sadly, it may be lost forever.

I’m curious if anyone here happens to know the story of why The Emperor Arrives track on the later albums does not match the film? It took me years to realize it, but the film version drops the opening trumpet heralds and also drops the reprise of Vader’s theme at the end. Instead, it drum rolls out to Yoda on Dagobah. I’m wondering if this scene was changed at the last minute or perhaps what is on album is a “concert” version of the track?

 
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