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 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Gee, watchit, cool Jenk cool ... keep that up and the entire Galactus-
galaxy will have what was previously a general suspicion become
a specific certainty:

Thou art well and truly most honorably "Human!". big grin


 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Not sure I follow that, Neo. However, here are a few that I *have* seen (you decide which count as "classics"):

High Noon
Red River
Stagecoach (B&W version)
A Fistful of Dollars
For a Few Dollars More
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
The Wild Bunch
Dances With Wolves (kinda counts)
The Searchers
High Plains Drifter
3:10 To Yuma (both versions)
Pale Rider
Hang 'Em High


The Oxbow Incident
My Darling Clementine
Shootout at the Ok Corral
The Magnificent Seven
The Outlaw Josey Wales

(My father was/is a huge Clint Eastwood fan, which explains the spaghetti western-types, etc. I saw while growing up.)

 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

The compliment was meant simply to applaud your honesty.

 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Well thanks, Neo!!

You talk so poetically and intelligently, I sometimes don't understand; I'm a very simple guy.

 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

I like lots of westerns. However, there's THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE, then all the rest.

 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I still have not seen SURF NAZIS MUST DIE and RABID GRANNIES. I wonder will I before I leave this existence?

 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I'll try to check out "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance"....

 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)


 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 6:24 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Tho "Stagecoach" is historically mayhap the most seminal,

if'n we ne'er see another film bearing John Ford's indelible cinematic imprint than "The Searchers"

or "Liberty Valance"

we'd rest royally.

 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Jenk, Since Saturdays Are Western Days Around Our Matrix Corral Department:

we wanna nominate our two All-tyme Most Influential Favorites fer yer eventual exposure.

And, for once, the ads ain't inflatin' the staggering achievement one dang durn bit! wink

 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Too many so-called "classics" of the post-1975 period I have never seen and don't really have a desire to see so I'm better off listing some classics of the Golden and Silver Age that I have never seen and have never been that inclined to see.

The African Queen
The Quiet Man
On The Waterfront
Stagecoach (1939) (Most western movies I have little interest in, frankly)

 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Christopher Kinsinger   (Member)

"I like lots of westerns. However, there's THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE, then all the rest."

PhiladelphiaSon, I love westerns as well, but I haven't seen enough of the ones that are considered to be the truly greatest to make the statement that you just did.
But...until I see the rest, I agree with you!

 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

HooRaq, that's a most astonishing admission which simply HASTA be augmented somehow ...
what about the genre (or izzit just the genre or its oater conventions) that underwhelm you so?

[ Aside from when Raquel isn't, um, top-lined? big grin ]

 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Well I freely admit I made room for Raquel's, even though I felt each of them didn't use her to her full potential. (Though she gets some great moments in "100 Rifles" and "Hannie Caulder", less so in "Bandolero") smile

I think the reason why the genre has been hard for me to connect with is because as a child in the late 1970s that was when the western as a genre in both film and TV had pretty much vanished. The long-running TV westerns were not rerun staples in those days and I think that may have also rubbed off a bit in terms of my willingness to experience movies of the same genre.

I've broadened out in the years since then but more so in the TV genre where "Gunsmoke" and "The Big Valley" have become favorites (but not "Bonanza" or "Rawhide"), but movies remain a tougher case. It might depend more on the subject matter, the cast etc. for me to feel compelled to give it a go. Even as much as I enjoy Heston's movies, I have still not seen "Will Penny" for instance.

 Posted:   May 25, 2013 - 9:31 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I would definitely recommend MARTY-55- A heartwarming well done touching tale, that is so true to life, ON THE WATERFRONT-54- A gritty hard nose film with a great ending. Both films have fine acting and solid tech credits.

 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Here's Our REEL Non-Kosmic Kuestion, Horatio Department:

Eric's above response has triggered this follow-up query ... what are the factors that've precluded seeing the films either universally extolled or individually thus exclaimed?

Wuzzit tyme, situation, circumstance, lack-of-interest (or access), the cast, director, subject matter, time frame, if it's shot in black and white rather than purple - Wot?!?

[ Occasionally, one concedes, it can simply be profoundly subjective in the sense of an enbedded professionally-personal or personally-professional abhorence of the entity so that no matter how 'acclaimed' their output is, it remains entrenched anathma in the extremis (the "Reservoir Dogs" carbon-unit where we're concerned; no matter how many roll eyes Best Screenplay roll eyes accolades he collects, we'll NEVER see anything with his name onnit). ]

So what's yer story? Inquiring 5,000 year-young Immortals wanna know ...

 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

What is a classic? Is there a person wise enough who can say a classic is written in stone and is undisputable a classic? Is a classic a film which is seem by the masses for reasons that are questionable, [finance, influence , luck, opportunity] etc etc? I remember years ago when a friend said, WHY DID THE EXORCIST gross more money and was seen by millions of more people then NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD?Well like many answers, it may seen more complex but it can be broken down into a logical simple line or paragraph. It got booked in thousands of more theatres worldwide. even if DEAD, in every theatre it was playing in was shown to pack houses and loads of people banging on the doors to get in from the outside it would loose the game of exposure to the EXORCIST.Is a classic a film which has been liking by so called important people in the media[mainstream critics] and those powerbrokers of the media who words are exposed through all the major media channels?. Maybe though, a classic is like so many things in life really is just an opinion and can and should never be put in books of facts.One person sees STAR WARS A HUNDRED TIMES and treat it like GOD'S GIFT, another falls asleep on first viewing. One person thinks GONE WITH THE WIND is a great film, another thinks it is a overblown bore, Who is to say? WHO IS TO SAY?

 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

nobody = and Who said otherwise?

We clearly prefaced our question with the subjective caveat "universally extolled as such' - which means the collective consensus believes such and such is this and not that - or from an Individual perspective (which merely substitutes the personal from the group).

Since this is a viewpoint usually brought forth from you, Dan, we'd counter your hand, raise it and ask this:


That's why we've ne'er subscribed and been profoundly bemused - tho we still endeavor our best to abide by the imposed regulations Ally oversees - to 'politics' being solely connected with elected officials, groups, rules, regulations or philosophical ideologies.

[ Any and Everything personal is always political. ]

So when the quest is specifically aimed at Why some films are richly regarded, to us the criteria is pure simplicity:

It's stood the test of TIME as to its quality, values, artistic achievement, elevated entertainment quotient and a universal connection which crosses each and every limited label possible yet still triumphs by spotlighting, accentuating, rewarding, transcending and connecting all that makes EVERYONE Human.


 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

When it comes to "opinions just being opinions", truer words were never spoken, Dan.

Too bad some people just can't accept that, insisting on insulting those whose views are even *slightly* different. Or insisting their opinion is the only real or valid one...

 Posted:   May 26, 2013 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

I once belonged to a "classic" film internet board, and left because of the outrage at my not believing neither CITIZEN KANE nor SINGIN' IN THE RAIN to be all that. People were, incensed! Nutty.

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