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 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   Bill Finn   (Member)

Any idea who the solo trumpet player is on the title to Brotherhood Of The Bell?

Since there is only one trumpet player listed in the list of musicians, Pete Condoli, I would assume that he played the solo.

What I want to know is which pianist, Artie Kane or Ralph Grierson, played the piano solo on track 6, titled "A Step Out Of Line". Nice playing, but the liner notes don't seem to mention it.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

CBS Home Video has gone into the made-on-demand dvdr biz, and released BROTHERHOOD OF THE BELL in 2015.
https://www.amazon.com/Brotherhood-Bell-Glenn-Ford/dp/B01943T7DE

 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Thanks for posting this, LC - I had been searching for this every so often, but I guess it had been more than a year since I had last looked.

By the way, the used CD is on Amazon for cheap (or at least no more expensive than when new). I love this kind of Goldsmith, and the album has been getting a regular spin every so often since its release.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2017 - 4:46 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Given the high price, and one consumer saying it stalled in their dvd player, I borrowed the disc thru the public library. It did have an issue loading, and it wasn't that badly scuffed so I think there is a manufacturing issue. Luckily my computer would read it so I could make a working copy.
CBS didn't clean up the print, but it's sharp and colors/brightness are normal (unlike my old copies from vhs) so it's worth the gamble to get a playable copy.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2017 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

My new copy plays fine in my blu ray machine - no problems. Perfectly adequate picture and sound (my standard is anything that looks like an upgrade from vhs). I find I enjoy this movie more each time I see it, even though I'm mixed at best on conspiracy thrillers. This is the only one I find even moderately persuasive.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2017 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

It's a fun movie, watching "The Man" get shuffled to the bottom of the deck in a Kafkaesque way. I dont think you'll see William Conrad or Glenn Ford in another film looking as grotesque as in the talk show scene. Oddly amusing how the next scene fades in and someone is loudly vomiting.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

It's been years since I've heard this, but listening to it now and "Brotherhood of the Bell" has that "Baroque Jazz Melancholy " that only Thor can officially define. I usually prefer to hear scores along with their visuals, but my familiarity with the' 65-'75 era allows me to immerse myself in this stuff without a visual to be...seen.

Goldsmith's early '70s TV work far surpasses his much-ballyhooed film work from the same era.

Gee, I hope I didn't already post words to this effect in 2010.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I dont think you'll see William Conrad or Glenn Ford in another film looking as grotesque as in the talk show scene.

Haha! Great scene. Very prescient.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

This makes for an ideal twofer. It's the kind of release one savors in its entirety and when the realization that the CD is about to end, panic sets in, and you frantically reach for the remote in order to hit "Repeat All" on this magnificent release.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The cue "Free Advice" is a work of genius. I have no idea as to the scene's content, but the musical content and atmosphere Goldsmith put into a mere 24 seconds is nothing short of brilliant.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

WHAT? A Goldsmith thread without Yavar? That's just not right. That's like a Day without Orange Juice or Peanut Butter without Chocolate! Love to hear your thoughts on these two superb Goldsmith scores my good man!

I can remember watching the original television broadcast of BROTHERHOOD as a 12 year old kid and distinctly being enthralled by the music in this suite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9RcTpH4z5Q

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Goldsmith of a certain era doesn't merit Mainstream FSMer attention, especially once it's been released.

Maybe The Moradi just didn't see this thread.

Zoob, you were fortunate to be of the now-ancient ones around to appreciate "telefilms" before they morphed into pathetic, "Disease of the Week" monstrosities. By the time I was aware enough to take notice of TV movies, Goldsmith was back toiling on things like Star Trek the Motionless Picture and TV movies were no longer interesting.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Goldsmith of a certain era doesn't merit Mainstream FSMer attention, especially once it's been released.

Maybe The Moradi just didn't see this thread.

Zoob, you were fortunate to be of the now-ancient ones around to appreciate "telefilms" before they morphed into pathetic, "Disease of the Week" monstrosities. By the time I was aware enough to take notice of TV movies, Goldsmith was back toiling on things like Star Trek the Motionless Picture and TV movies were no longer interesting.


Those were the days! It's great being one of The Ancient Ones, even though I don't feel a day over 61. Ha Ha. Live Long and Prosper Jim, Yavar and everyone! I lift my Super Chavela today to you all!

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I can't believe I've posted so little in this thread. (though it started back in the days when I posted rarely if at all - I skulked around here for a decade before I started adding my own fabulous insights. wink)

Just gotta say these are a couple of my favorite Goldsmith scores released in the last decade or so. And I was just astonished when they were released. Would never have guessed that such obscure TV movies would ever get released - but that's Goldsmith for you. I kinda picked the perfect favorite composer, as it happens!

Brotherhood is also my favorite, and in many ways for me one of his spookiest scores - probably because it accompanies such superficially banal proceedings (with such an ugly undertone).

Great fun every time I give it a virtual spin.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

I enjoyed the Goldsmith Odyssey Interviews podcast with Bruce Broughton, who recalls visiting the recording sessions for Bell, and marveling at how innovative the techniques that Goldsmith used were.The notes for the copyist were bewildering!

Step Out of Line featured Peter Falk prominently, and it occurred to me that the score would actually fit Columbo very well. Maybe not perfectly, but it gives you a good idea I think what a Goldsmith-scored Columbo might have sounded like. Maybe a little less abstract.

Would these scores have been recorded in mono? Or is that just what survived?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 11:24 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Yes, yes The Almighty Moradi Supreme Goldsmith Authority MUST COMMENT!
Nigh, all will be lost & these scores will be lost like tears in the rain!!!

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2020 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

This thread inspired me to dig out this wonderful Intrada album. And who knows when we will see Peter Falk on a CD cover again! big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2020 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Getting on ten years ago (!) I posted on this very thread that this release was possibly my favourite score CD of 2010. Ten years later it's one of my favourite score releases of all time! Such a perfect pairing, a wonderful listen from beginning to end.

It's amazing (for me anyway) to listen to JG's output from around that period of time. Apart from BROTHERHOOD and STEP (which were well above average anyway for TV Movies), he did so much amazing stuff for the small screen, and very often for less than inspiring series. I suppose the same could be said of the music he wrote for big-screen dross, but in the case of (off the top of my head) POLICE STORY (cops on the telly), BARNABY JONES (milk-supping old geriatric), HAWKINS (stuttering old geriatric)... to hear the amount of intricate work that went into the writing of what would have been (then) seen once on a tiny little TV by the tone-deaf billions, it boggles my mind. He could so easily not have bothered.

JG's output was so huge over a whole spectrum of genres and a fairly large span of time that it's unsurprising that he wrote a fair amount of average stuff. But just centering on those '70s telly years alone shows that when he was at the peak of his powers he could be a brazen genius.

I'm gonna listen to that BROTHERHOOD/STEP CD again right now. It's so freakin' astounding!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2020 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

Brotherhood is from the director of The Mephisto Waltz, and there is some overlap in the use of that "croaking serpent" electronic sound in the scores. I adore Goldsmith in "baroque jazz" mode (see also parts of Sebastian and Fierce Creatures). It's a meaningful, striking score without an ounce of dramatic fat. That said, I much prefer listening to A Step out of Line. The theme is one of my favorite Goldsmith themes, and the solo piano version is one his loveliest compositions. The (mostly unused) climatic pieces are fascinating examples of Goldsmith's experimentation with free jazz, something he seemed to completely abandon by the mid-70s.

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2020 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Yes, yes The Almighty Moradi Supreme Goldsmith Authority MUST COMMENT!
Nigh, all will be lost & these scores will be lost like tears in the rain!!!


big grin

 
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