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 Posted:   Jul 3, 2013 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Please keep it civil, fellas and lay off the jabs, eh? It's getting too personal and ugly.

Now I'm going to listen to Pacific Heights. smile


Will do, bro. Now THAT is a good Zimmer score. Just wish it was broken up into shorter tracks.

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2013 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

This movie just got 22% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Good news, indeed.

Another fiasco from the abominables.

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2013 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   billiosis   (Member)

"It's only film music." Some of it is the most beautiful music on earth Conservatively speaking.

Yes I wholeheartedly agree. Greatest music no one (in great numbers) hears. That's why I have a room full of cds
I simply meant that it's not life or death here. I just came from a memorial that had over fifty thousand names on it. Makes the whole Zimmer debate seem stupefyingly inane. Like your avatar by the way.

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2013 - 10:18 PM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

I'll be picking this up. I downloaded the Finale from iTunes and it was great. This makes me wonder even more WHY Zimmer didn't use an orchestra for Man of Steel...if only the score had swapped films but with a theme for Superman obviously.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

Please keep it civil, fellas and lay off the jabs, eh? It's getting too personal and ugly.

Now I'm going to listen to Pacific Heights. smile


Oh, yes. PACIFIC HEIGHTS is definitely one of my favorite Zimmer scores.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 2:50 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

I'll be picking this up. I downloaded the Finale from iTunes and it was great. This makes me wonder even more WHY Zimmer didn't use an orchestra for Man of Steel...if only the score had swapped films but with a theme for Superman obviously.

??? Isn't the "Finale" by Rossini?

If you like THAT, you're bound to be disappointed by the rest of the score, which is REAL Hans Zimmer.

Great to hear that the film is bound to be a flop. Positive proof that Verbinsky and Disney cannot force just ANY franchise on the public, no matter what. This sentence from a review is revealing:

"The Lone Ranger" never does settle on a tone until the rousing climax, which involves a horse race, an out-of-control train and, at long last, the Lone Ranger theme, Rossini's "William Tell Overture."

Kind of a dismissal of Zimmer's effort, too.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 3:26 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

I'll be picking this up. I downloaded the Finale from iTunes and it was great. This makes me wonder even more WHY Zimmer didn't use an orchestra for Man of Steel...if only the score had swapped films but with a theme for Superman obviously.

??? Isn't the "Finale" by Rossini?

If you like THAT, you're bound to be disappointed by the rest of the score, which is REAL Hans Zimmer.

Great to hear that the film is bound to be a flop. Positive proof that Verbinsky and Disney cannot force just ANY franchise on the public, no matter what. This sentence from a review is revealing:

"The Lone Ranger" never does settle on a tone until the rousing climax, which involves a horse race, an out-of-control train and, at long last, the Lone Ranger theme, Rossini's "William Tell Overture."

Kind of a dismissal of Zimmer's effort, too.


Not at all.

And why is it "great to hear" something negative?

Have you already seen the film? Or are you just a hop-on for the badmouth-express, expressing opinions on something you donĀ“t know anything about?

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 3:27 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

And why is it "great to hear" something negative?

It's because the big conglomerates are sucking us dry.

No, I haven't seen the film yet. But if Verbinsky's horrible Pirates of te Caribbean franchise, or Disney's failed attempts to force other franchises on the public are ANY indication, as well as generally hostile reviews of The Lone Ranger (I don't care about the "opinion" of pizza munching, pimpled, uneducated teenagers who love everything that's loud, dumb and obnoxious) are any indication, it's bound to be horrible. The trailer doesn't bode well, either.

And I've listened to the "music". That Zimmer did use the Rossini overture might seem an homage, but given the low quality of his "own" material, it's actually more of an insult.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 3:33 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

And why is it "great to hear" something negative?

It's because the big conglomerates are sucking us dry.


Yeah, well...

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Personally, I think Hans Zimmer is very talented, a game-changer and sometimes very exciting musically.

But not my cup of tea.

I'm not going to say MAN OF STEEL is good or bad, all I'm going to say is it excites me in places, turns me off in places, and I'd prefer to listen to something more thematic like Williams' SUPERMAN any day of the week.

On themes ...

I do own the 2CD and have played it several times. I'm still not sure I could hum a theme from it though. And I don't know anyone from the *general* audience who has seen the film who can.

But at the same time "hummable themes" are not *necessarily* what it's all about.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 5:04 AM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

I'll be picking this up. I downloaded the Finale from iTunes and it was great. This makes me wonder even more WHY Zimmer didn't use an orchestra for Man of Steel...if only the score had swapped films but with a theme for Superman obviously.

Why do you keep saying something that is not true?

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

And I've listened to the "music". That Zimmer did use the Rossini overture might seem an homage, but given the low quality of his "own" material, it's actually more of an insult.

I find it amusing that some of the harshest Zimmer critics seem to be among the first to have listened to this score and/or Man of Steel. Even if I received it for free I don't see myself wasting my time listening to something there is little chance I will enjoy when I have so much great music I can listen to.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 7:30 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

And I've listened to the "music". That Zimmer did use the Rossini overture might seem an homage, but given the low quality of his "own" material, it's actually more of an insult.

I find it amusing that some of the harshest Zimmer critics seem to be among the first to have listened to this score and/or Man of Steel. Even if I received it for free I don't see myself wasting my time listening to something there is little chance I will enjoy when I have so much great music I can listen to.


Indeed it is a dirty job, Yoda.

But someone has to do it!

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

And I've listened to the "music". That Zimmer did use the Rossini overture might seem an homage, but given the low quality of his "own" material, it's actually more of an insult.

I find it amusing that some of the harshest Zimmer critics seem to be among the first to have listened to this score and/or Man of Steel.


A common theme amongst the anti-Zimmer crowd is that they are the first to hear the score and the first to have an opinion on it. Of course, it's always a negative opinion (I don't believe for a second they actually listen to the music) with no hope to think otherwise (which would require them to listen to the music, which is difficult while polishing their 1000+ CD collection).

I'm thinking of a composer I don't particularly like... not much comes to mind. A composer who I think doesn't always produce the best results... BRIAN TYLER! When a Tyler score comes along which I consider to squander his talents or seems uninteresting to me, I simply don't listen. When a Tyler score comes along that I look forward to but am ultimately disappointed in (Iron Man 3 comes instantly to mind, though that great final track was worth the purchase) I simply keep my thoughts to myself because I know a great many who enjoyed it and I'll allow them to discuss it positively amongst themselves.

The only positivity I ever seem to encounter on FSM -- and have for over half a decade -- is in regards for the niche record labels like Film Score Monthly, La La Land, BSX, Intrada, etc. While this is all great and I certainly support the applause given to these companies and their vastly talented contributors like Lukas, MV, Ford, Dan Goldwasser, et al I have come to discover (too late) that this message forum is rarely a place for positive, thoughtful musical discussion. I'm thankful that this Lone Ranger score is getting some rounds of enjoyment due to Zimmer's arrangement of the Rossini piece, but there is still a lot of fun music within this that goes by unnoticed (including the energetic trademark Zimmer action music which goes throughout "Finale" but is not the William Tell Overture).

My hope is that someday a film music discussion board will come along which promotes healthy conversation amongst us score geeks, and ignites our passion to discuss the music within these soundtracks -- rather than the packaging, pressed quantity, or negative sentiment towards hard-working composers.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)


Indeed it is a dirty job, Yoda.

But someone has to do it!


Exactly. People cannot imagine what we intelligent and discriminate listeners are willing to put up with to warn the general public against inane and obnoxious film scores.

This is a public service announcement.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)


Not at all.

And why is it "great to hear" something negative?


Lol.

Because if you made cake for me, and I praise nothing but the plastic plate without mentioning your cake, you'd be a little disappointed too.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)


And why is it "great to hear" something negative?


Lol.

Because if you made cake for me, and I praise nothing but the plastic plate without mentioning your cake, you'd be a little disappointed too.


This comparison would be more accurate:

If I were a famous baker and made cake for you, and someone would not like the cake, and you - without actually tasting the cake - would be overjoyed to tell others that my cake-making abilities were not good enough.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)


And why is it "great to hear" something negative?


Lol.

Because if you made cake for me, and I praise nothing but the plastic plate without mentioning your cake, you'd be a little disappointed too.


This comparison would be more accurate:

If I were a famous baker and made cake for you, and someone would not like the cake, and you - without actually tasting the cake - would be overjoyed to tell others that my cake-making abilities were not good enough.


...and you would continue to tell anyone and everyone, at any opportunity, that my cake baking skills were horrible. However you'd never really say anything of actual merit, you'd just be sure to tell everyone that you alone are capable of knowing what a good cake is. Anyone who dared to enjoy my cakes would be looked down on and insulted in a typically smug and humorless way. Basically you'd just want to make sure your worthless opinion was heard above and beyond anyone else's. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

as well as generally hostile reviews of The Lone Ranger (I don't care about the "opinion" of pizza munching, pimpled, uneducated teenagers who love everything that's loud, dumb and obnoxious) are any indication, it's bound to be horrible.

I'm usually more interested in what the average moviegoer has to say, since film critics are largely just out of touch with the general movie-going public.

Aside from the second and third Pirates films, I think the Disney/Bruckheimer relationship has produced some terrifically-enjoyable movies, the kind that remind me of why I go to the movies in the first place. The Lone Ranger looks like great fun from the trailers and ads I've seen, so I'm looking forward to seeing it Saturday morning with my brother. After all, at the end of the day, the only reviewer I ultimately trust to have the final say on any film is myself.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

And that's all just a lot of blah-blah. At the end of the day, Zimmer's poor score must stand on its own.

Only it doesn't. All hail to Puccini!

 
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