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I do not think I can bring myself to read this new Hooky book, I do not want to read it and feel like he trashed my whole idea of the band.
Yes, I wonder how that book is. I'm tempted to read it but I don't have very high thoughts of his behaviour towards Sumner and the band. He comes across as an incredibly difficult person in Sumner's book.
What do you mean with "trashed"?
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Aug 17, 2016 - 1:47 PM
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I do not think I can bring myself to read this new Hooky book, I do not want to read it and feel like he trashed my whole idea of the band.
Yes, I wonder how that book is. I'm tempted to read it but I don't have very high thoughts of his behaviour towards Sumner and the band. He comes across as an incredibly difficult person in Sumner's book.
What do you mean with "trashed"?
Oh sorry FB I just mean that I know that all bands have disagreements, but it had seemed to me that Joy Division and New Order had done things pretty well, had stuck together, even after they lost Ian and they could have come apart at the seams. They mostly got along and figured out the roles, even as Sumner never really thought of himself as a vocalist at all. So for someone to leave the band and write a massive book in a jealous tone, I think it is destructive and not a good thing. So I would rather think of Joy Division and New Order more the way that Sumner tells the story.
Do you mean this book?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Substance-Inside-Order-Peter-Hook/dp/1471132404/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1471461992&sr=1-1&keywords=peter+hook
According to Amazon it's not out yet?
Or did you mean this?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hacienda-How-Not-Run-Club/dp/184739177X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1471462140&sr=1-1&keywords=peter+hook+how
Hey FB, I am not familiar with that Hacienda book, have you read it?
Yeah, I was more concerned with this giant 700 page thing just being a gripe tome from Hooky.
What do you think?
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I have not read the Hacienda book.
I can't really comment on the new Hook book as it's not out yet. One part of me wants to read it, another part says no.
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Who here has ever seen New Order live? When and where?
I wish I could say that I have. It's especially lamentable since New Order played in Miami in April 1989. Not to make excuses, though I guess that's what this, but my girlfriend at the time purchased tickets for R.E.M., who were also playing that month here, so we ended up seeing them (second row center). A friend of mine did see New Order but didn't have much to say about the show other than iirc the band played "Perfect Kiss" as an encore. He also said it was a rather brief show.
Yes, I just got reading the part in Chapter and Verse where Sumner talks about the 35 minute shows they were doing in the US in the 80's, I can't recall what city, but apparently the crowds rioted they were so upset. The sent the police to protect the band. But apparently at one time it was more the US audiences that expected long shows. Of course with the absurd price of tickets these days I would expect a riot for a 30 minute show.
They did a longer show than that.
Also on the same bill: Echo and The Bunnymen (who failed to play "Bring on the Dancing Horses" !!!!)
wow!
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Marshall
I would happily pay for almost any length of N.O. show.
Hopefully at least an hour.
Cheers
That is what I remember it being approx.
brm
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I started reading this mid-book.*
Sumner discusses the music he heard in NY -Moroder, Summer- that were the big influences on his turn to electronic dance music. This is the kind of material I really appreciate reading. What makes NO so great, and innovative, is their ability to make great dance records for people who hated Disco!!! In other words, they rocked; and wrote great songs with a danceable groove.
brm
*I was never a part of the Joy Division 'cult'. I always found the obsession with Curtis' suicide unseemly, morbid, and a bit perverse. But hey, that's just me
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Aug 23, 2016 - 9:12 AM
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Jim Phelps
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I started reading this mid-book.*
Sumner discusses the music he heard in NY -Moroder, Summer- that were the big influences on his turn to electronic dance music. This is the kind of material I really appreciate reading. What makes NO so great, and innovative, is their ability to make great dance records for people who hated Disco!!! In other words, they rocked; and wrote great songs with a danceable groove.
brm
*I was never a part of the Joy Division 'cult'. I always found the obsession with Curtis' suicide unseemly, morbid, and a bit perverse. But hey, that's just me
I was never interested in Ian's suicide; It's a damn waste that he killed himself.
I suppose I was one of those who didn't like Disco, but then New Order were musically a cut above other electronic dance groups in that they had an actual bass player. Their first album, Movement, sounded to me like what Joy Division may have ended up sounding like had Ian lived.
Plus, their lyrics, while minimalist, were always interesting. Compare their first few albums to, say, Depeche Mode's, and the latter sound trite, especially during the brief Vince Clarke era.
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" I suppose I was one of those who didn't like Disco, but then New Order were musically a cut above other electronic dance groups in that they had an actual bass player. Their first album, Movement, sounded to me like what Joy Division may have ended up sounding like had Ian lived."
yeah.
Joy Division's "Atmospheres" is mos def proto NO
The problem with JD is Curtis couldn't sing a lick. Ironic then, that Sumner- who never sang before -evolved into a fine vocalist
brm
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The problem with JD is Curtis couldn't sing a lick. Ironic then, that Sumner- who never sang before -evolved into a fine vocalist
brm
It's (post)punk music; singing technically well or whatever was never a consideration. Yet despite this, Ian had a distnctive and memorable voice--he was even a crooner in many of those JD songs!
There are plenty of 'bad' singers who I enjoy - Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Johnny Rotten....
David Byrnes wasn't a good singer either but he occasionally delivered a memorable vocal performance e.g "Pyscho Killer"
Curtis' attempt at a croon was awful - he seemed to be attempting a Jim Morrison type attitude- and he could not even sing in key. I am sorry, but he brought the music down
brm
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