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 Posted:   Jun 6, 2014 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   yonythemoony   (Member)

Jackman is also guilty of mimicking "Time" in a few of the dramatic moments in First Class.

And in Captain Phillips. Painful.


Ever hear of temp-tracking? Don't assign guilt to Jackman if he's being directed to adhere closely to the temp of that cue from INCEPTION. It's his job to follow what the director & studio want to hear in the movie.


And the score has several co-composers including Zimmer. The editors used cues from United 93. And the temp tracked Safe Now was actually written by Lorne Balfe, not Jackman.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2014 - 11:27 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Jackman is also guilty of mimicking "Time" in a few of the dramatic moments in First Class.

And in Captain Phillips. Painful.


Ever hear of temp-tracking? Don't assign guilt to Jackman if he's being directed to adhere closely to the temp of that cue from INCEPTION. It's his job to follow what the director & studio want to hear in the movie.


And the score has several co-composers including Zimmer. The editors used cues from United 93. And the temp tracked Safe Now was actually written by Lorne Balfe, not Jackman.


Jackman's name is on the album. No matter who "wrote" the cue, it's a huge bummer and kills the moment in the movie for me.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2014 - 7:30 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

Springing Erik was my favorite cue hands down.

Hands down what?


I love you.

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 2:54 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Has anybody figured out exactly on the album what goes where in the film? Most of it would seem self-explanatory from the cue titles, but I know Ottman sometimes combines cues for the soundtrack.

The main title is different from what's heard in the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Allow me to repeat his first line for emphasis: “John Ottman is the best composer to have worked on the X-Men series so far, and his score for “X2" is the best of the films until now.”

Please discuss.


Worst X-Men movie, but, best score by John Powell for The Last Stand.

Hands down. wink

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Just saw the film - didn't think it was all that great to be honest. "Same old" plot, another alternate timeline, underused original actors, unconvincing newbies. Ironically I thought the score worked pretty well. Curious to know how it plays on CD.

Not the same old plot, but a highly regarded storyline from the X-Men comics in 1981 that predates Terminator. I thought the screenwriters did a more than decent job of adapting it. IMHO opinion, James Cameron and Chris Claremont & John Byrne drew from the same well, The Outer Limits. I did just read that Byrne cited a Doctor Who story arc as an influence.

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2014 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Not the same old plot, but a highly regarded storyline from the X-Men comics in 1981 that predates Terminator. I thought the screenwriters did a more than decent job of adapting it. IMHO opinion, James Cameron and Chris Claremont & John Byrne drew from the same well, The Outer Limits. I did just read that Byrne cited a Doctor Who story arc as an influence.

Yeah, it took the old comic story and turned it into the same old. big grin Seriously, I thought it was a lousy adaptation and a lousy X-Men movie. They switched the time traveler from Kitty to Wolverine, because Jackman's more popular, but to do that they had to magically give her powers inconsistent with any she's ever had (not uncommon in this movie - forgetting characters' powers or using them nonsensically). Then they made a positive change, only to ruin it: they switched Mystique from the head of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants to the hero she was in this movie, actually accomplishing things for the good of mutants while Erik was locked up and Xavier was busy being a sad sack. Given that the plot also hinges on Mystique's powers (though truly the Sentinels seemed more consistent with Darwin's power than Mystique's), this film was all set up to have Mystique be the star of the show -- but nope, they turned it into another episode of the Erik and Charles show, with those two jerks covering the same ground they've been covering in these movies since the first one while trying to decide just how much control they should have over Mystique. Plus, this movie squanders the chance to be a movie about, y'know, the X-Men. It opens promisingly with a diverse team, a team functioning as a well-oiled unit, supporting each other logically, working together, in a way we haven't yet seen in an X-Men movie. And then that sad little cameo ends and we're back to the all-white, all-male proto-X-men group of Charles, Erik, Beast and Wolvie tracking down Mystique. Except half of them basically have nothing to do; Wolverine mostly just gets to stand around. And then it wraps it all up with an ending that doesn't make sense. (That is, the adjustment makes sense, but Wolverine's memory situation does not.)

Anyway. A piece of crap movie with one absurd yet excellent scene. Blows my mind how well-loved it is.

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 3:17 AM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

From Ottman's Facebook page:


I'm mortified to discover that cues 16 thru 19 are in the wrong order and labelled wrong on my X-Men Days of Future Past album!

For those who care.... In the order on the album (which was NOT the way it was supposed to be heard), the correct cue names should be:

16. Do What You Were Made For
17. I Have Faith in You/Goodbyes
18. Join Me
19. The Battle Begins

https://www.facebook.com/john.ottman.902/posts/10152174750446479

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 3:37 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

From Ottman's Facebook page:


I'm mortified to discover that cues 16 thru 19 are in the wrong order and labelled wrong on my X-Men Days of Future Past album!

For those who care.... In the order on the album (which was NOT the way it was supposed to be heard), the correct cue names should be:

16. Do What You Were Made For
17. I Have Faith in You/Goodbyes
18. Join Me
19. The Battle Begins

https://www.facebook.com/john.ottman.902/posts/10152174750446479


But he also adds on the same post on his Facebook page the confusing info:

"I was going though all the extra cues that weren't released on the album, and through my cross-checking, I discovered this. My fault for not proofing it more carefully. Motherfk I mean why would I put "The Battle Begins" as the 2nd to last cue? UGH."

What he calls "The Battle Begins" is "The Attack Begins" on the album, but what's confusing is when you supposedly rearrange the cues in the newly corrected order, then "The Attack Begins" becomes the 2nd to the last cue.

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 4:25 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

So what's the suggested "correct" order?

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

What he calls "The Battle Begins" is "The Attack Begins" on the album, but what's confusing is when you supposedly rearrange the cues in the newly corrected order, then "The Attack Begins" becomes the 2nd to the last cue.

I believe that he meant that the cues were mistitled on the album and he gave the correct titles according to track number. The cues are also out of order on the album as a result of this, so the order that's listed on the CD should correct, but actual cues the titles correspond to on the album are wrong.

I think.

I've posted a query on Facebook.

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I believe that he meant that the cues were mistitled on the album and he gave the correct titles according to track number. The cues are also out of order on the album as a result of this, so the order that's listed on the CD should correct, but actual cues the titles correspond to on the album are wrong.

I think.

I've posted a query on Facebook.


That's what made sense to me as well. Thanks for trying to confirm.

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 5:49 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Ghost-writing and now ghost-PROOFREADING??

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

I believe that he meant that the cues were mistitled on the album and he gave the correct titles according to track number. The cues are also out of order on the album as a result of this, so the order that's listed on the CD should correct, but actual cues the titles correspond to on the album are wrong.

I think.

I've posted a query on Facebook.


That's what made sense to me as well. Thanks for trying to confirm.


They were named right, just out of order on the album...at least that is what I got from it.

In the comments section "John Ottman - Yeah but the cues were named correcty! GRRR"

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   Nakatomi   (Member)

I think he means the track list on the album is correct, but the actual music is incorrect. So tracks 16-19 need renaming to the order he gave on his Facebook page, then reordering to the track list on the album.

The Attack Begins is actually cue 19 on the CD (2:27 in length), and he didn't want that, he wanted it as track 16.

At least that's what I think he meant, it seems most plausible to me. New track listing (with times) should be:

16. The Attack Begins (2:27)
17. Join Me (2:56)
18. Do What You Were Made For (5:03)
19. I Have Faith In You / Goodbyes (3:20)

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   Nakatomi   (Member)

I think he means the track list on the album is correct, but the actual music is incorrect. So tracks 16-19 need renaming to the order he gave on his Facebook page, then reordering to the track list on the album.

The Attack Begins is actually cue 19 on the CD (2:27 in length), and he didn't want that, he wanted it as track 16.

At least that's what I think he meant, it seems most plausible to me. New track listing (with times) should be:

16. The Attack Begins (2:27)
17. Join Me (2:56)
18. Do What You Were Made For (5:03)
19. I Have Faith In You / Goodbyes (3:20)

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Yes, the tracks were supposed to have been in the order that they appear on the CD's track listing. Unfortunately due to an error, the wrong music is assigned to those track titles.

Rename the track to the new titles, then renumber the tracks so that they play in the order that appears on the CD's track listing. I did that this morning before I left for work, and the album makes a lot more sense afterward.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2014 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   moviescore1   (Member)

Not the same old plot, but a highly regarded storyline from the X-Men comics in 1981 that predates Terminator. I thought the screenwriters did a more than decent job of adapting it. IMHO opinion, James Cameron and Chris Claremont & John Byrne drew from the same well, The Outer Limits. I did just read that Byrne cited a Doctor Who story arc as an influence.

Yeah, it took the old comic story and turned it into the same old. big grin Seriously, I thought it was a lousy adaptation and a lousy X-Men movie. They switched the time traveler from Kitty to Wolverine, because Jackman's more popular, but to do that they had to magically give her powers inconsistent with any she's ever had (not uncommon in this movie - forgetting characters' powers or using them nonsensically). Then they made a positive change, only to ruin it: they switched Mystique from the head of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants to the hero she was in this movie, actually accomplishing things for the good of mutants while Erik was locked up and Xavier was busy being a sad sack. Given that the plot also hinges on Mystique's powers (though truly the Sentinels seemed more consistent with Darwin's power than Mystique's), this film was all set up to have Mystique be the star of the show -- but nope, they turned it into another episode of the Erik and Charles show, with those two jerks covering the same ground they've been covering in these movies since the first one while trying to decide just how much control they should have over Mystique. Plus, this movie squanders the chance to be a movie about, y'know, the X-Men. It opens promisingly with a diverse team, a team functioning as a well-oiled unit, supporting each other logically, working together, in a way we haven't yet seen in an X-Men movie. And then that sad little cameo ends and we're back to the all-white, all-male proto-X-men group of Charles, Erik, Beast and Wolvie tracking down Mystique. Except half of them basically have nothing to do; Wolverine mostly just gets to stand around. And then it wraps it all up with an ending that doesn't make sense. (That is, the adjustment makes sense, but Wolverine's memory situation does not.)

Anyway. A piece of crap movie with one absurd yet excellent scene. Blows my mind how well-loved it is.


I was disappointed with the movie as well. They need to stop focusing on Wolverine and Hugh Jackman and make it more about the mutants, highlighting more characters. I think that's why I liked First Class so much better, but I'm more partial to the origin stories as well. The score was serviceable, but Ottman's stuff continues to be a hit or miss for me.

 
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