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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Poltergeist
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 4:41 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Don't like using scores from other films as filler tracks on the 2-CD releases. I find them to be intrusive and jarring when I am in the mood set by the music of the score.

Is it really that hard to hit the "stop" button on your remote when the Poltergeist portion of disc #2 is over? If they stuck the Prize cues in the middle of the CD, then yeah, that would be "intrusive" and "jarring", but they're all lumped together at the end, like FSM always does with "bonus" tracks and source cues and alternates.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

More music in good quality, same composer. Nothing wrong with that -- only real reason I can think of to be annoyed at it is simply the ratio of music of one score to the other, even though these are a 'bonus' rather than being a double score release.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Holy shit, the sound is so brilliant that it makes the Rhino sound like a "boot". Plaudits to Lukas and all involved in this superb release.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Avid Fan   (Member)

Don't like using scores from other films as filler tracks on the 2-CD releases. I find them to be intrusive and jarring when I am in the mood set by the music of the score.

Is it really that hard to hit the "stop" button on your remote when the Poltergeist portion of disc #2 is over? If they stuck the Prize cues in the middle of the CD, then yeah, that would be "intrusive" and "jarring", but they're all lumped together at the end, like FSM always does with "bonus" tracks and source cues and alternates.


That's wasn't the point. It shouldn't even be on the same album. If you're going to need some filler then how about using some effects cues, trailer music, interviews, etc. something relevant to the film itself. Sorry but that's just my pet peeve and a matter of personal preference.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Just Wow!, the magnificent sound knocked my booties off. Now I understand why I never enjoyed listening to the Rhino release.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Just Wow!, the magnificent sound knocked my booties off. Now I understand why I never enjoyed listening to the Rhino release.

And what are your means of listening?

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It shouldn't even be on the same album. If you're going to need some filler then how about using some effects cues, trailer music, interviews, etc. something relevant to the film itself. Sorry but that's just my pet peeve and a matter of personal preference.

Well that's just it, isn't it? Everybody has a personal preference. There are those on here who outright refuse to buy CDs that have effects or interviews. (They're not me.) Frankly, I don't think there "needed" to be any filler just to get the running time up. This was just a bonus. I appreciate the bonus, you do not. I hardly expect FSM to press separate lots of CDs so we can each get what we want.

(For the record, the "Poltergeist" trailer used the score from the film, so it's already on the CD.)

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Just saw the movie again and I have to say that whole sequence involving Tangina is for me some of the best music Goldsmith ever scored. Can't wait to hear the FSM mix.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Maestro   (Member)

I'm just bringing this information to the discussion from the How did Goldsmith get the RAMBO series over Conti? thread, as it's clearly more appropriate here, given the subject matter.

From what I've heard Stallone saw Poltergeist and was very impressed with the score and sought out Goldsmith for his next film

That's absolutely true. Heather O'Rourke's mother Kathleen has spoken about Stallone's seeing the film in various interviews, speaking about her daughter's brief life, and how he loved it after hearing about Heather being a huge fan of his and Rocky III.

What a coincidence. Talk about "frontman..." Tobe Hooper was just a frontman on that film since Spielberg allegedly ghost directed it then took out a full page add in the Hollywood Reporter to quell the rumors and give Tobe all of the professional credit for it.

I've read and seen more than enough evidence to strongly suggest Spielberg was the true director behind Poltergeist. It's a story which is still very much to this day being kept under wraps by Spielberg himself. He's already prevented the film from receiving any sort of documentaries, interviews (past or present) from making it onto DVD, Blu-ray in past releases. I can understand his reasoning, because if the truth were ever to be exposed, the lawsuit Universal would file against him would be astronomical to the point where even somebody in his position of power would be very worried. When it comes to signing on the dotted line, the passing of some 25+ years means absolutely nothing to a direct violation of that agreement.

Spielberg has always been a stand-up guy so I think he was only being dignified by protecting Tobe's credibility rather than his own. I think it was probably mutual between them. It was Spielberg's first role as a Producer and it would have been disasterous publicity if word got out that Tobe was fired and Spielberg took over the reigns. I think his letter published in the Hollywood Reporter was his formal apology to Tobe for any hard feelings and it's pretty clear when you read between the lines. Even Zelda Rubinstein let slip out what happened in her AICN interview before she died.

Yes, I read that. It's not the first time she, or other cast members have let things slip out either.

It's a shame really because there is so much great Poltergeist footage and behind the scenes stories out there that nobody has ever seen, because of all these shenanigans.

I'd love to read or hear what Tobe has to say about it but I'm sure his lips are sealed and he was well compensated.

I remember reading this, back in September.

http://www.top10films.co.uk/archives/3283

Great article though they left out Zelda's statement about Tobe allowing some chemical agents to affect his work. wink

Actually through your link in that post I ran across this other article with Tobe's side of the story (which I find to be a simple matter of trying to save face):

http://www.thedarkmirror.net/2010/09/23/who-directed-poltergiest-spielberg-or-hooper

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Zelda gives it to Spielberg wink though I do believe it's a collabo between Hooper and Spielberg when it came to filming the thing, but it's obvious Spielberg worked out the concept and did most of the post on his own. But again we have a movie like Twilight Zone the Movie that has become a taboo subject for the director(s).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   TruPretender   (Member)

Got and am listening to it RIGHT NOW! OMG! Simply the best. FSM you have done it again! I never cease to be amazed! I wish you could release ALL the great composers of this century like this!

Now we need more from Goldsmith!
Secret of NIMH
Psycho II
Supergirl (see my latest post on that!)

And some Delerue - Something Wicked This Way Comes (rejected)

And how about some Shire - The Hindenburg (Complete and Expanded)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Just Wow!, the magnificent sound knocked my booties off. Now I understand why I never enjoyed listening to the Rhino release.

And what are your means of listening?



Huh?

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Just Wow!, the magnificent sound knocked my booties off. Now I understand why I never enjoyed listening to the Rhino release.

And what are your means of listening?



Huh?


Speakers, headphones, etc....

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

It shouldn't even be on the same album. If you're going to need some filler then how about using some effects cues, trailer music, interviews, etc. something relevant to the film itself. Sorry but that's just my pet peeve and a matter of personal preference.

Well that's just it, isn't it? Everybody has a personal preference. There are those on here who outright refuse to buy CDs that have effects or interviews. (They're not me.) Frankly, I don't think there "needed" to be any filler just to get the running time up. This was just a bonus. I appreciate the bonus, you do not. I hardly expect FSM to press separate lots of CDs so we can each get what we want.


There are a lot of great scores I never would have been exposed to were they not bundled together on the same CD by FSM and other labels (like Dave Grusin's lovely The Scorpio Letters on the Last Run CD), so I say throw whatever else on there you'd like to pad the disc out to 70+ minutes. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Just Wow!, the magnificent sound knocked my booties off. Now I understand why I never enjoyed listening to the Rhino release.

And what are your means of listening?



Huh?


Speakers, headphones, etc....


I use speakers. I have a pretty good system that cost me around $5000.00 and I'm very happy with it. I exlusively listen to music on my stereo, and Bl-Rays on a sepaate home theather system.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Anyone notice a slight "rattle" from the right speaker on disc 1 track 11 & 12? I assume it was in the master tapes.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 7:59 PM   
 By:   mxmx   (Member)

Ghost in the machine, I think. big grin

I hear nothing in track 11, but track 12 is 16 minutes long. Can you narrow it down a bit?

Mike

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   CuestaVerde   (Member)

I really want to pick this up, but need to wait till the new year. Been spending a little too much on Soundtracks of late.

Do you have any idea how long this will last? I'm assuming it will be around for quite a while, due to the 10k run. Hope there is a heads up if stock goes down to dangerous levels!


Pooter, I'm sure in the current climate it will last some time. We've had some amazing releases over a short period of time, the majority of those still available. I applaud Lukas for allowing some breathing room and giving us the heads up when the Rhino got re-released.

P.S. I just received the blu-ray of Poltergeist (the deluxe edition with foto pages inside cover) and will give this baby a spin tonight in anticipation of FSM's CD.


The Poltergeist BD picture looks pretty stunning, hope you enjoy it! I myself am awaiting my shipment of this new release and can't wait to hear the amazing new remaster!

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   Maestro   (Member)

I remember being extremely disappointed that the 25th Anniversary featured practically "nothing" for its release in the way of extras, but I had also learned to live with it by the time I got my hands on the Blu-ray.

I was prepared to raise hell if the actual film itself had been Edge Enhanced and had a ridiculous amount of Digital Noise Reduction applied to it. It completely destroys the picture, removing grain (with it fine detail) bringing with it a horrible haze over the image that makes everything look ugly, and more like a painting than live-action.

Fortunately they used the 25th Anniversary restoration that they used for the DVD on the Blu-ray. Still you can never be sure with the powers that be. They love to have somebody meddle with it. You know, to make a 1982 film look like what the clueless masses would expect it to look like in HD.

AMAZING, HIGH DEFINITION, DIGITAL QUALITY, 1080P RESOLUTION. You get the drift.

Just look at the sub-par transfers the Back to the Future trilogy received from Universal, if that's what you want. Bob Gale should be ashamed with himself for some of the outrageous claims he made towards the AV enthusiasts criticising the quality of the transfers. Universal pulled the same malarkey with Gladiator and anyone that followed that story would know they were taking everybody for a ride as well. Even Ridley Scott stepped in and had words with them. Spielberg is heavily involved with the restoration of his films for Blu-ray. James Cameron was actively involved with Aliens and that also looks incredible.

If only other directors could be that caring towards their greatest achievements. Yes, Robert Zemeckis, I mean you.

Anyway, in regards to Poltergeist, I was immensely pleased when I finally got around to watching the Blu-ray. I viewed it on a 100" screen and the picture quality was simply terrific. It's been praised as one of the best looking catalog titles on the market and it absolutely deserves that praise. It looks like film, and the initial restoration was left untouched.

At times the picture is so good you would have to be blind to not notice that a great deal of the effects in the abduction sequence were hand-drawn animation, like the vortex. They look dated, but never bad, perfectly transparent really when you are engrossed in the film itself.

The audio is also a wonderful mix, the effects and Goldsmith's score really do come through marvellously.

Now, if only that FSM CD would hurry up and get here! big grin

Here are some screenshots. Note, they are compressed and reduced in size.

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 Posted:   Dec 18, 2010 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Maestro   (Member)

Just received my copy today! A truly spectacular release. It sounds even better than the LP. My goodness. through headphones it's an even bigger revelation, I'm hearing things I never even noticed before. The alternates are great and it's an absolute joy to finally have the orchestra only version of Carol Anne's Theme.

I can seriously see myself listening to this score more than ever now, thanks to this release.

Once again, many thanks to everybody involved!

Brilliant. big grin

 
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