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 Posted:   Mar 16, 2017 - 4:30 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Re: April Fools Day - the source link in the first post is to page one of the thread, but the actual post is on page 37 (Oct 16 2013)
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=37&threadID=67395&archive=0

I can't find anything else to add to your list, alas. We could just list every Varese album of a new film from 1989 onwards but that would take forever, and some titles like Dead Again and Pet Semetary proved not to be perp titles after all, so who knows which are and which aren't?

Anyway, bookmarking this thread. Thank you for starting it, Jason.

 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2017 - 4:34 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

I forgot to add - and this is a little off topic - MV says Silva have the rights to Supergirl and Legend in perpetuity. http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=2&threadID=112862&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Mar 16, 2017 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Jason, where did you hear about Peggy Sue? I can't find anything online. Was it an email? Thanks.

*edit* OK, I see Yavar said it was revealed when the DE came out. I'll have a look around that thread.

 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2017 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

double post

 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2017 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Varese also hold Bill Conti's North and South in perpetuity as referred to by MV below. It was initially released as a re-recording on a CD with Conti's The Right Stuff.:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=66030&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2017 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Another seven for the list coming up!

Earlier in the thread I added Bernard Herrmann's The Ghost and Mrs Muir which was confirmed by Bruce K as being controlled by Varese. It was on Varese's 'Herrmann at Fox' boxset released back in 2011. The set had the following titles, 18 in all:

Jane Eyre, Anna and the King of Siam, The Ghost and Mrs. Muir, The Day the Earth Stood Still, Five Fingers, Hangover Square, The Snows of Kilimanjaro, A Hatful of Rain, White Witch Doctor, Beneath the 12-Mile Reef, The Egyptian, Garden of Evil, King of the Khyber Rifles, Blue Denim, Prince of Players, The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit, Journey to the Center of the Earth, Tender is the Night.

Kritzerland subsequently released seven of these titles as single releases (Jane Eyre, The Day The Earth Stood Still, Five Fingers, Hangover Square, The Snows of Kilimanjaro, White Witch Doctor and Beneath The 12-Mile Reef), so we know Varese don't own those in perp. La La Land released The Egyptian in 2015 so we know Varese don't control that one, either. And FSM released Blue Denim in 2001, a title that Varese hadn't touched until they did their boxset - so that's another one Varese don't own.

That leaves:

Anna and the King of Siam, The Ghost and Mrs. Muir, A Hatful of Rain, Garden of Evil, King of the Khyber Rifles, Prince of Players, The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit, Journey to the Center of the Earth, Tender is the Night.

Bruce says in this thread:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=2&threadID=108916&archive=0

"Varese owns whatever came out in the late 90s under those Herrmann volumes - Ghost and Mrs. Muir, Man in the Gray Flannel Suit, Hatful of Rain, etc."

The 'Herrmann volumes' he refers to are 'Bernard Herrmann at Fox' Vols 1, 2 and 3 released in 1999 and 2000. The remaining titles listed above are the exact titles on those three volumes, with the exception of The Ghost and Mrs Muir, which he has already confirmed as Varese in perp, and Journey To The Center of the Earth. So, those seven are controlled by Varese.

Therefore your seven new additions to the master list are

Anna and the King of Siam
A Hatful of Rain
Garden of Evil
King of the Khyber Rifles
Prince of Players
The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit
Tender is the Night

and the source is Bruce's post in the link above.

It was Yavar's detailed post in that thread which prompted me to go look at those late 90s Herrmann volumes so thanks to him for that.

We just don't know about Journey to The Center of the Earth yet. Varese did release this in 1997 - but not on those Herrmann sets.

Anyway, 45 and counting!

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2017 - 5:00 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Back in 2013,someone asked MV in the LLL news thread if any Marco Beltrami releases were coming. He replied:

"Would love to. No plans for the immediate future. He's mainly Varese territory."

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=35&threadID=67395&archive=0

I looked at Beltrami's complete album list on his official site, and checked to see which label initially released them. 25 of those titles were released by Varese:

Scream
Scream 2
Scream 3
Scream 4
Hellboy
Mimic
I Robot
Terminator 3
Blade II
Gods of Egypt
Knowing
Live Free Or Die Hard
Joy Ride
The Thing (2011)
The Omen (2006)
Flight of the Phoenix (2004)
Snowpiercer
Seventh Son
Woman In Black 2
The Homesman
November Man
Trouble With The Curve
In The Electric Mist
The Watcher
The Minus Man

We can't be sure if Varese were refused perp rights on any of these titles (like Dead Again) but judging by MV's comment, most of them must be controlled by Varese.

We've had Varese deluxe editions of Screams 1 and 2, Hellboy and Mimic, of course.

 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2017 - 2:00 AM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

MV just confirmed in the LLL Questions thread that Varese have Graham Revell's score to the 1995 Power Rangers film in perpetuity.

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=118900&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=11&r=307#bottom

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2017 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Just saw this thread.
I don't know if it has been mentioned again but what about Williams' Earthquake and The Eiger Sanction?
Could other labels release them?


Of course! Those were Universal LPs, Varese would absolutely not have any kind of perpetuity rights on those.

Accidental Genius wondered if Varese still had rights for Earthquake, MacArthur and Dracula in another thread earlier this week and MV replied:

"Varese does not own rights to these cds. UMG does and Varese back in the day sublicensed them for a period of time."

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=119258&forumID=1&archive=0

So now we know for sure that Varese don't have them in perp.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2017 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

That's actually been confirmed several times now...originally confirmed several years ago, perhaps when Explorers came out?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2017 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

Do they have David Newman's Ice Age? I know a Deluxe Edition is unlikely, but a man can dream, can't he?

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2018 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

You can add "Love Field" to the list. Posted today by Roger at the Intrada forums:

I just finished revisiting this film, and I admit having completely forgotten what this film was about. The score is what I imagine Goldsmith would have written had he scored To Kill a Mocking Bird. It's full of tenderness, pain and human warmth. Something you don't hear much these days. Interestingly, I infer the film was partially rescored, as throughout the film there is a piano score that is clearly not Goldsmith. Turns out it was written by Bill Payne. Some very nice piano music, in fact. It was used over the end credits instead of what Goldsmith wrote. There's some pretty stuff there and I imagine if you were an average Joe picking up the soundtrack after seeing the film and not hearing Payne's work on the album you'd be mighty disappointed. Naturally the CD has a lot of the Goldsmith music cut from the film. There are some wonderful Goldsmith cues in the film not on the album. Given the album is only 29 minutes long...there was definitely room to include them, but probably another victim of AFM fees at the time. Not knowing how much music was recorded and not in the film or CD, it's hard to say how long the score really is. But an expanded edition would be great, including a separate section for the Payne score. Should all fit on one CD. I checked...it's still controlled by Varese. But everyone is clamoring for expanded issues of Air Force One, Small Soldiers, The Mummy, US Marshalls (as am I), but let's not forget this small gem. It's every much as worthy.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   JTWfan77   (Member)

I have a question or two. How is it that VS were able to secure perpetual rights on so many scores, when other film music speciality labels are unable? Does VS hold that much clout with the studios, or are they just more flush financially? The same could be asked about Milan.

Also, why would studios (some, not all) be prepared to grant perp rights? Isn't it effectively selling off their film assets, in a way? Why not set a time limit to the deal, for example the way Lucasfilm seemed to operate (SW - RSO / RCA / Sony)?

It appears that MGM does not operate in this way, as I'm unaware of any perp titles granted by them. I think the same applies to Disney. Also, Paramount has seemingly not granted perp rights to any speciality labels (Dead Again, Pet Semetary, Primal Fear, The Phantom, etc.) but has done so for mainstream labels (Star Trek, Congo).

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I have a question or two. How is it that VS were able to secure perpetual rights on so many scores, when other film music speciality labels are unable? Does VS hold that much clout with the studios, or are they just more flush financially? The same could be asked about Milan.

Also, why would studios (some, not all) be prepared to grant perp rights? Isn't it effectively selling off their film assets, in a way? Why not set a time limit to the deal, for example the way Lucasfilm seemed to operate (SW - RSO / RCA / Sony)?


For many years, Varèse was pretty much the only game in town outside of the major labels (which generally weren't interested in anything but occasional blockbusters or song albums). If you had a film in search of a label to release the soundtrack (and in the '80s and '90s, soundtracks could also serve as promotion for the films), you may not have had much choice. (I took a class in the late '80s with an exec at Fine Line Features, now defunct. He pointed out that anything you could make a deal for to shave some money off the budget, even if it were only for a couple thousand dollars, you'd do it. And he mentioned that he could generally sell album rights to a label he called "Vareezy Sarabondy." He cited "Julia & Julia," a dog of a film he was doing anything to reduce their losses on. And sure enough, "Vareezy" bought those rights.)

Roger Feigelson at Intrada has pointed out that they got perp rights when they could, too. These days, when the speciality labels are doing limited releases of archival titles, and the studios know they can often then put that music up on download and streaming services, the whole economics of this stuff has changed.

As far as selling off film assets, it is only a fairly recent development that films live on and on. And even so, most don't. To use the example above, there was certainly no reason to believe that "Julia & Julia" would have any life past whatever they could make back at its initial release. So if Varèse was offering perp rights, take it or leave it, and there was nobody else who would go near it, you'd take the money and run!

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   JTWfan77   (Member)

And he mentioned that he could generally sell album rights to a label he called "Vareezy Sarabondy." He cited "Julia & Julia," a dog of a film he was doing anything to reduce their losses on. And sure enough, "Vareezy" bought those rights.)

Lol, oh well, at least he tried to pronounce it big grin

I wish I hadn't sold my Vareezy Sarabondy Julia & Julia CD.

These days, when the speciality labels are doing limited releases of archival titles, and the studios know they can often then put that music up on download and streaming services, the whole economics of this stuff has changed

Makes sense, I just wish the studios would get at it and put the stuff on iTunes/Google/Spotify/whatever so the less fortunate of us can enjoy it too.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2018 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Just updated the main post with all of Litefoot and other's great additions.

Here's hoping next week's Club titles knock a few more off the list!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2018 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

John Williams' THE COWBOYS would be real nice.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2018 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

John Williams' THE COWBOYS would be real nice.

I think I might want a complete version of that more than any Goldsmith score even.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2018 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

John Williams' THE COWBOYS would be real nice.

I think I might want a complete version of that more than any Goldsmith score even.

Yavar
. I agree and for that to happen they would have to deal with a major studio like Warner Brothers.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2018 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I agree and for that to happen they would have to deal with a major studio like Warner Brothers.

Are you somehow implying that Varese doesn't already do this?

Yavar

 
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