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 Posted:   Dec 19, 2012 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Well that one chops up bits of the score to Where No Man for some of the phaser firing scenes. Force Field gets rended pretty badly.

Yeah, I just ran across that. There's also a TERRIBLE edit of Hideous Balok for when the Romulan ship cloaks.

We had talked about starting new threads for these projects. Do people feel this is still a good idea?

 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2012 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

I'm game. We start threads for a lot less worthy things. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2012 - 10:56 PM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)

Tell me where I am missing something... I feel sure there is music from Who Mourns for Adonais? used in the third season (in That Which Survives and Requiem for Methuselah, for example), but nothing from Adonais seems to have been rerecorded as library music in the third season. Am I mistaken about hearing the music in the third season? Am I misreading the library descriptions? Did I miss Steiner repeating some of the Adonais music in Elaan or Spock's Brain? Or did they cheat and use some second season music in spite of union restrictions?

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 1:56 AM   
 By:   Perky_Norm   (Member)

Tell me where I am missing something... I feel sure there is music from Who Mourns for Adonais? used in the third season (in That Which Survives and Requiem for Methuselah, for example), but nothing from Adonais seems to have been rerecorded as library music in the third season. Am I mistaken about hearing the music in the third season? Am I misreading the library descriptions? Did I miss Steiner repeating some of the Adonais music in Elaan or Spock's Brain? Or did they cheat and use some second season music in spite of union restrictions?

Parts of that score (specifically that lovely, stately/melancholic trumpet motiff) also pop up in The Cloud Minders to I believe - like yourself I'm wondering if they cheated re. union restrictions, or managed to come to some arrangement?...

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 1:58 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Or did they cheat and use some second season music in spite of union restrictions?

I think that's the most likely explanation. Also, I've always thought that large portions of the original Where No Man score appeared in Lights Of Zetar. I dare say Jeff Bond may confirm this.

Looks like the producers were really testing the Musician's Union power there. Irwin Allen and Fox seemed to completely ignore the restrictions. Maybe a nominal flaw in the legislation allowed producers the right to exploit. I don't know. Anyway, Fred Steiner was probably not pleased.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 2:26 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

I'd been listening to my old GNP CDs prior to getting this set and had gotten accustomed to the fake stereo sound. I've found it hard to listen to the original mono recordings, despite their pristine sound quality. I'll probably be pilloried for saying this, but I've spent time using Audacity to convert a couple of discs of the set into fake stereo and I greatly prefer this sound. Anyone else done this?

I confess!

I've put a couple of tracks through a stereo enhancement template I created in Cubase. It's a unique chain of effects including separate left/right EQing and various spatial widening plugins. The results are pretty spectacular, even though I do say so myself. It's like night and day. Previously subdued instrumental frequencies are suddenly revealed, and the whole thing becomes much more present and 3 dimensional. It's like some pillows have been removed from the front of the speakers. I'm using quite different techniques to the old GNP CD methods which were fine in their day, but technology has taken a quantum leap since then.

Now, I could only do this thanks to the superb mastering done by La La of the original material. Those are PERFECT and totally authentic mono recordings. As good as you can get.

Such enhancements are not to everyone's tastes. Indeed, I'm delighted with the original sound, and would otherwise settle for that. But, if the technology exists, and my ears are pleased.... then why not? And, after all, it's just for me.

Will I be converting the whole 17 hours? Nope! big grin Edited highlights only, life being as short as it is. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 4:42 AM   
 By:   DarthBrett   (Member)

Okay...I, for the life of me cannot find the music heard in Mudd's Women when the ladies are walking down the halls and all of the crewmen are staring at their beauty? Am I going crazy or is this cue missing?!

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Okay...I, for the life of me cannot find the music heard in Mudd's Women when the ladies are walking down the halls and all of the crewmen are staring at their beauty? Am I going crazy or is this cue missing?!

Haven't seen the ep in years, but maybe try track 30, disc 1.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 5:09 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Okay...I, for the life of me cannot find the music heard in Mudd's Women when the ladies are walking down the halls and all of the crewmen are staring at their beauty? Am I going crazy or is this cue missing?!

Haven't seen the ep in years, but maybe try track 30, disc 1.


It's on Disc 2, it was composed for the trailer to that episode, at the end of The Naked Time. It's an Alexander Courage production. "Trailer (Mudd's Women)"

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

I'd been listening to my old GNP CDs prior to getting this set and had gotten accustomed to the fake stereo sound. I've found it hard to listen to the original mono recordings, despite their pristine sound quality. I'll probably be pilloried for saying this, but I've spent time using Audacity to convert a couple of discs of the set into fake stereo and I greatly prefer this sound. Anyone else done this?

I confess!

I've put a couple of tracks through a stereo enhancement template I created in Cubase. It's a unique chain of effects including separate left/right EQing and various spatial widening plugins. The results are pretty spectacular, even though I do say so myself. It's like night and day. Previously subdued instrumental frequencies are suddenly revealed, and the whole thing becomes much more present and 3 dimensional. It's like some pillows have been removed from the front of the speakers. I'm using quite different techniques to the old GNP CD methods which were fine in their day, but technology has taken a quantum leap since then.

Now, I could only do this thanks to the superb mastering done by La La of the original material. Those are PERFECT and totally authentic mono recordings. As good as you can get.

Such enhancements are not to everyone's tastes. Indeed, I'm delighted with the original sound, and would otherwise settle for that. But, if the technology exists, and my ears are pleased.... then why not? And, after all, it's just for me.

Will I be converting the whole 17 hours? Nope! big grin Edited highlights only, life being as short as it is. smile



How about posting an A/B example of your stereo-izing work, Heath?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 5:15 AM   
 By:   sr-miller   (Member)

Okay...I, for the life of me cannot find the music heard in Mudd's Women when the ladies are walking down the halls and all of the crewmen are staring at their beauty? Am I going crazy or is this cue missing?!

I haven't listened to every cue on every disk yet but I didn't hear it among the Mudd's Women tracks...

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

It's on Disc 2,

Oh yeah... disc 2. Sooo many discs! A boy can get confused. wink

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

Okay...I, for the life of me cannot find the music heard in Mudd's Women when the ladies are walking down the halls and all of the crewmen are staring at their beauty? Am I going crazy or is this cue missing?!

You're going crazy. That scene is tracked with the trailer music for the episode from "The Naked Time". It's by Alexander Courage.

Neil

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

How about posting an A/B example of your stereo-izing work, Heath?

I'd love to... but it would mean jail-time. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)

And isn't that same Mudd's Women trailer music heard in A Piece of the Action? Is that another prior-season reuse without rerecording?

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

How about posting an A/B example of your stereo-izing work, Heath?

I'd love to... but it would mean jail-time. wink



well don't even post the whole cue....just a section to hear what you've done.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


I confess! I've put a couple of tracks through a stereo enhancement template I created in Cubase. It's a unique chain of effects including separate left/right EQing and various spatial widening plugins. The results are pretty spectacular, even though I do say so myself. It's like night and day. Previously subdued instrumental frequencies are suddenly revealed, and the whole thing becomes much more present and 3 dimensional. It's like some pillows have been removed from the front of the speakers. I'm using quite different techniques to the old GNP CD methods which were fine in their day, but technology has taken a quantum leap since then.

I tried it in audacity and got decent results. Purists may scream, but I prefer a fake stereo sound over mono. Though as stated, these are the best sounding mono recordings ever.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

And isn't that same Mudd's Women trailer music heard in A Piece of the Action? Is that another prior-season reuse without rerecording?

I believe you're correct. Is this set going to lead to lawsuits over union rules from 40 years ago? smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

There was a lot of flouting of the union rules, apparently. Some third season episodes had original recorded cues from the first season. Perhaps this was not an issue since the required amount of library cues and original scores was reached. Or maybe nobody was looking and they just got lucky. But either way, "Wolf in the Fold" used the original "Vina's Dance," "A Piece of the Action" used the trailer music and "Lights of Zetar" pilfered music from WNMHGB.

Just to reinforce what Neil, Lukas and others have assured us - nothing is missing. They had the paperwork to back it up. So if you can’t find a piece of music, you're missing it and it's probably not where you think it is. The library cues are a treasure trove. I've relished in the shortest two second stingers that would never be on any other set (aside from the Network ITC series boxes which were amazingly complete). This box is comprehensive and seriously closes the book on Original Star Trek music.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2012 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)

I knew it wasn't missing, Scott--I'm sold on the completeness of the set! I was just making sure I hadn't missed a rerecording, even one that was then rejected in favor of going back to the original. I love the stingers also...I enjoy imagining the discussions that preceded their composition and recording..."We need something that can cover a nerve pinch, a phaser blast, someone being disintegrated, Kirk getting rapped in the head...make it kind of generic, ok?"

 
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