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 Posted:   Nov 14, 2013 - 6:26 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

The 1991 film "JFK" will appear again at the Cinemark theater chain in the US this coming Sunday, Nov. 17 and Wednesday, Nov. 20.

What a great opportunity to hear the embedded (and somewhat unusually utilized) Oscar-nominated John Williams score in context.

One of the very best John Williams film scores?

Perhaps only Jerry Goldsmith's "Capricorn One" has such effective embedded musical paranoia.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2013 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

The one that started it all for me. Strange, I know, but true. Fascinating on pretty much every cinematic level imaginable. It'll probably be the director's cut, which is not nearly as good as the original theatrical cut (which is available to purchase digitally, FYI).

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 1:07 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

The 1991 film "JFK" will appear again at the Cinemark theater chain in the US this coming Sunday, Nov. 17 and Wednesday, Nov. 20.

What a great opportunity to hear the embedded (and somewhat unusually utilized) Oscar-nominated John Williams score in context.

One of the very best John Williams film scores?


It has definitely worked its way into my Williams top 5. I hope JFK will get a theatrical re-release worldwide as I'd like to see the movie in a theater. The filmfestival of Ghent -where I saw Parkland- was running the movie but sadly not on the dates I was there. At the time of JFK's release I was 8 years old, but I'm sure it will get screened plenty in years to follow.

Perhaps only Jerry Goldsmith's "Capricorn One" has such effective embedded musical paranoia.

I like paranoid scores and JFK definitely qualifies, but if you want to go even more 'paranoid', I suggest Arlington Road (Badalamenti/Tomandandy, incidentally tomandandy's music was used in JFK as well).

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 1:41 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

One of the very best John Williams film scores?


No, not really. I found it clich├ęd (Williams even uses the diabolus in musica for the traitors) and banal, from the "lonesome hero" trumpet in the overture to the ominous, "inhuman" music for the alleged(!) conspirators to the quasi-Barber Arlington adagio - manipulative in a bad way, like the film itself. I even wrote a term paper for a JFK-obsessed professor, including a chapter on the use of music in the film. Nixon is better: film & score!

I recently saw a few episodes of Oliver Stone's "America" documentary, including the one on JFK and his time. It was good to see that Stone has come to a more realistic evaluation of Kennedy as a president.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 4:46 AM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

It was fascinating to go to the movies in December of 1991 and hear the glorious "Hook" score in a familiar vein and then to go to "JFK" and hear those intentionally unsettling cues that (I thought) really added much to the documentary feel of the proceedings.

Another fascinating way to explore "JFK" is to see it as the center attraction in an Oliver Stone/John Williams trilogy with "Born on the Fourth of July" and "Nixon" on the apparent theme of the crisis and (at least temporary) death of the "American Dream".

As mentioned, "Nixon" is yet another terrific Williams effort which, like "JFK", adds to the documentary feel from the "Citizen Kane"-ish start to the "I am that sacrifice" finish.

And if the main theme and Prologue to "JFK" count as an inspiring mythological musical reference to President Kennedy himself, there is a trilogy of Williams scores to study and compare as a set, focused (in very different ways) on three famous US Presidents now with "JFK", "Nixon" and "Lincoln".

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 6:22 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I wonder how this film has held up, or not.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

There was another spitter!

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

There was another spitter!

Along came a Spitter
Who sat down besitter
And scared Miss Muffet away.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

I wonder how this film has held up, or not.

I thought it was one of the most ridiculous films I had ever seen, when it was originally released. To me, it's in the same category as SHOWGIRLS. The only person in the film who is even remotely believable in their role, is Sissy Spacek; and, as I recall it, she is totally unnecessary. I cannot imagine anyone wanting to sit through it, again.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

In any case, the "JFK" score is a very interesting (and in some ways unusual) John Williams project.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I enjoyed the score very much. The CD seems to represent everything there is to hear pretty much... isnt any unreleased music just variations on the main themes? As I recall didn't Williams just write stand alone music which Stone dropped in, cut & paste as needed?

The movie itself I like quite a bit - no matter how one feels about the theories presented in the movie, it was a fantastic accomplishment, presenting a very complicated narrative in a very engaging fashion - hurling names and places and events at you at breakneck speed and making the interpretation of events very clear and concise. And the Donald Sutherland sequence is marvelous.

The existing CD is fine, the main theme is one i listen to quite a bit.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I thought it was one of the most ridiculous films I had ever seen, when it was originally released. To me, it's in the same category as SHOWGIRLS. The only person in the film who is even remotely believable in their role, is Sissy Spacek; and, as I recall it, she is totally unnecessary. I cannot imagine anyone wanting to sit through it, again.

You said a lot there, without really saying anything at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

I was working at Warner Bros. at the time of the release of JFK and got to attend a pre-release screening of the film at the Television Academy Theatre. I remember delving so into the whole Kennedy Assassination back then and buying so many magazines and stuff on the subject, totally immersing myself in that whole thing. Probably to the point of obsession which was a tad detrimental. At the screening I knew it was going to be a long film and I get a little squeamish when I know that there is a assassination scene coming up and not knowing how graphic Oliver Stone was going to get, I really wasn't looking forward to that scene. Like I said, I was totally immersed in the killing and how horrible it must have been for all those who were present at the time. At the screening I remember a scene where the camera work was getting hypnotic and Wiliams music was just building and building and I started sweating and just feeling so uneasy and I really thought my head was going to explode. I used to get panic attacks where I thought I was going to have a brain aneurism at times and that was definitely one of those times. Effective film making in visual and audio (music)? I think so. JFK is a film I much rather see on DVD and with the comfort level of being able to turn it off when the panic starts. I remember really liking the most Tommy Lee Jones and Joe Pesci's performances and the music, oh the music by Maestro Williams.

Just my remembrance. I found it a very engaging and thought provoking film, all politics aside.

Beautiful, heartbreaking JFK Theme by John Williams. So sadly heroic and passionate.

Overwhelming and sweeping:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0jc_qCcQmQ

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

Thinking how cool a John Williams JFK / LINCOLN Concert Suite would be. Wonder if anyone has thought of doing an arrangement mixing the two?

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 4:14 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

Thinking how cool a John Williams JFK / LINCOLN Concert Suite would be. Wonder if anyone has thought of doing an arrangement mixing the two?

A Presidents Suite with thematic material from "JFK", "Nixon" and "Lincoln" sounds interesting.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

Thinking how cool a John Williams JFK / LINCOLN Concert Suite would be. Wonder if anyone has thought of doing an arrangement mixing the two?

A Presidents Suite with thematic material from "JFK", "Nixon" and "Lincoln" sounds interesting.


That's another thought, but then of course I would also throw in Williams' John Quincy Adams material from AMISTAD to make his "Presidential Suite" complete.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 7:30 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

Thinking how cool a John Williams JFK / LINCOLN Concert Suite would be. Wonder if anyone has thought of doing an arrangement mixing the two?

A Presidents Suite with thematic material from "JFK", "Nixon" and "Lincoln" sounds interesting.


That's another thought, but then of course I would also throw in Williams' John Quincy Adams material from AMISTAD to make his "Presidential Suite" complete.


Oh, that's right. A little John Quincy Adams add would be sweet...for this Suite!

 
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