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 Posted:   Dec 15, 2013 - 4:03 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

Anyone know if Varese is planning any more rerecording’s with the RSNO? I thoroughly enjoyed their Herrmann and North series and would love to see more such recordings done by the label.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2013 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   mik91   (Member)

Anyone know if Varese is planning any more rerecording’s with the RSNO? I thoroughly enjoyed their Herrmann and North series and would love to see more such recordings done by the label.


wishlist:
Waxman - a place in the sun
Herrmann - the man who knew too much, king of the khyber rifles, the wrong man

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2013 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

Since the last release was in 2007, I doubt...

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2013 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Henry Jones   (Member)

Yes, the last one was Herrmann's North by Northwest.

I'd buy in a flash a re-recording of The Man Who Knew Too Much, especially if Mcneely and the technical staff (Jonathan Allen and Rich Breen) behind the beautifull NbN re-recording are in.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2013 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

Since the last release was in 2007, I doubt...

Indeed that's the case but why? I am sure there would be a substantial demand for any rerecording

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2013 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

Yes, the last one was Herrmann's North by Northwest.

But that one was recorded with the Bratislava-based Slovak RSO, not the (probably more expensive) Royal Scottish National Orchestra.

I am sure there would be a substantial demand for any rerecording

How do you define "substantial"? 2,000, 3,000 units? Certainly not enough to break even.

These recordings need SPONSORS. If there is indeed "substantial" demand, then surely they could be financed by crowd-funding. In fact, they can't because there isn't.

Re-recordings of quality(!) need people or institutions who are willing to lose money.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2013 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Since the last release was in 2007, I doubt...

Indeed that's the case but why? I am sure there would be a substantial demand for any rerecording




I too would love to see more re-recordings.

However, both Tadlow and Tribute have said it is just too expensive, while costs have soared sales of such cds have not.

Just in case: smile

Abbott & Costello meet Frankenstein
Universal horror early 1930s

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 12:28 AM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

Personally I hope Varese records with the GSPO because they are fantastic!

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 2:50 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Doubtful. Back in '07 McNeely blogged about North by Northwest (http://www.joelmcneely.com/blog/2007/11/19/north-by-northwest/), and then asked readers what they'd like to hear recorded next (http://www.joelmcneely.com/blog/2007/12/06/straw-poll/) and posted the results (http://www.joelmcneely.com/blog/2008/01/09/breaking-news-rozsa-wins/), and since then -- nothing.

I seem to recall North by Northwest didn't sell quickly (released in 2007, didn't sell out until . . . 2011?), despite rave reviews.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

Doubtful. Back in '07 McNeely blogged about North by Northwest (http://www.joelmcneely.com/blog/2007/11/19/north-by-northwest/), and then asked readers what they'd like to hear recorded next (http://www.joelmcneely.com/blog/2007/12/06/straw-poll/) and posted the results (http://www.joelmcneely.com/blog/2008/01/09/breaking-news-rozsa-wins/), and since then -- nothing.

Thanks for the links. I just added a comment to the page with the the results on it. Anybody else want to give it a try?

I seem to recall North by Northwest didn't sell quickly (released in 2007, didn't sell out until . . . 2011?), despite rave reviews.


Yes it did take some time to sell out, but it did in the end. I think the rerecording can make money. Look what Varese did with the Waxman ones. They rerecording three of his scores issues them as single discs and then reissued them under 'Franz Waxman: A Centenary Celebration' which ended up selling out. The same could also be done with the Herrmann and North recordings.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 4:06 AM   
 By:   films1   (Member)

I doubt it ... releases by this company are now of little interest to me , used to love Varese back in the day , and apart from there recent Club batch i hold little faith in what this company offers.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 4:10 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I doubt it ... releases by this company are now of little interest to me , used to love Varese back in the day , and apart from there recent Club batch i hold little faith in what this company offers.

What does your interest have to do with Varèse's plans?
Also, I find it funny that apart from their old stuff and their new stuff you don't have much faith in their product.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)


I seem to recall North by Northwest didn't sell quickly (released in 2007, didn't sell out until . . . 2011?), despite rave reviews

Yes it did take some time to sell out, but it did in the end. I think the rerecording can make money. Look what Varese did with the Waxman ones. They rerecording three of his scores issues them as single discs and then reissued them under 'Franz Waxman: A Centenary Celebration' which ended up selling out. The same could also be done with the Herrmann and North recordings.



It makes no sense for Varese's own recordings to be "limited" or to "sell out". They can press as many as they like. Tribute and Tadlow don't limit quantities of their own recordings - why would they?

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 5:26 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

It makes no sense for Varese's own recordings to be "limited" or to "sell out". They can press as many as they like. Tribute and Tadlow don't limit quantities of their own recordings - why would they?

Possibly to help sales. Limited editions tend to sell more quickly, I think, and when you've sunk a large chunk of change into a project you want units to move! If you budget so that you can make a decent profit with 3000 sales, and you say "Limited to 3000" and you move 3000, then you're in good shape. If you budget the same and then just move a few hundred copies, you're down a lot of capital for future projects. I feel like I keep hearing how with few exceptions, even soundtracks of hot new movies are moving hundreds of copies at best rather than thousands -- we're an extremely small niche market asking for expensive projects!

*Please forgive me if I got it all wrong!

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Perceived scarcity can stimulate purchases and it's one of the levers marketeers work on.

Remember Intrada's experience with Inchon. When they released it the first time unlimited it sold only 1500 copies. When they released it limited at 1500, it sold out in hours.

Okay the second one was expanded, so it was a more attractive CD. On the other hand 1500 people already had the first CD so some degree demand was already fulfilled.

I guess if you're only ever going to sell 3000 anyway, then announcing it as limited might at least help you sell them faster and maybe sell a few more.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 6:10 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)



Remember Intrada's experience with Inchon. When they released it the first time unlimited it sold only 1500 copies. When they released it limited at 1500, it sold out in hours.

Okay the second one was expanded, so it was a more attractive CD. On the other hand 1500 people already had the first CD so some degree demand was already fulfilled.


I think it's also a bad example given when they released the first one compared to the second one.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

It makes no sense for Varese's own recordings to be "limited" or to "sell out". They can press as many as they like. Tribute and Tadlow don't limit quantities of their own recordings - why would they?

Possibly to help sales. Limited editions tend to sell more quickly, I think, and when you've sunk a large chunk of change into a project you want units to move! If you budget so that you can make a decent profit with 3000 sales, and you say "Limited to 3000" and you move 3000, then you're in good shape.


Yes but a rerecording is so expensive that 3000 copies are not likely to provide a "decent profit" even when using orchestras in Prague or Moscow - and even less so with a recording using the RSNO. Of course, Varese may have come to some sort of special agreement with the RSNO which kept recording costs low in exchange for a limited pressing.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 7:30 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I feel like I keep hearing how with few exceptions, even soundtracks of hot new movies are moving hundreds of copies at best rather than thousands -- we're an extremely small niche market asking for expensive projects!


There are a lot of reasons for this which we have covered in great lengths of course. Bad economy for over 10 years, pirating, and they are simply making a bad product. People can say what they want, but good music sells, and their simply not making good music nowadays.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

There's also streaming, plus the easy of being able to buy the movie, plus other things people want to spend money on instead of music, etc...

 
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