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 Posted:   Dec 17, 2013 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

I received both of the Twilight Time Sinbad Blu-Rays yesterday -- and I watched "The Golden Voyage of Sinbad" in its entirety last night (I only had time to glance at about 10 minutes of "Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger").

Both releases look fabulous. I've always loved John Phillip Law in "Golden" -- and this time through I discovered many moments in his performance that I had never noticed before -- when he is warmly humorous or expresses care and affection for his band of adventurers, etc. It is easy to overlook such moments in the colorful and extravagant action of the film. He is really wonderful in this role.

I was also most impressed by what I assume is a new surround audio mix for "Golden." I was wondering how the stereo tracks were created for "Golden" -- as I recall the original tracks only survived in mono, but on a headset the stereo separations often sound genuine. This may only be audio trickery -- but the end result, to my ears, makes the Rozsa score sound more warm, resonant, and involving. Did the DVD have this same mix? I couldn't immediately pull it out for comparison.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2013 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

I received both of the Twilight Time Sinbad Blu-Rays yesterday -- and I watched "The Golden Voyage of Sinbad" in its entirety last night (I only had time to glance at about 10 minutes of "Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger").

Both releases look fabulous. I've always loved John Phillip Law in "Golden" -- and this time through I discovered many moments in his performance that I had never noticed before -- when he is warmly humorous or expresses care and affection for his band of adventurers, etc. It is easy to overlook such moments in the colorful and extravagant action of the film. He is really wonderful in this role.

I was also most impressed by what I assume is a new surround audio mix for "Golden." I was wondering how the stereo tracks were created for "Golden" -- as I recall the original tracks only survived in mono, but on a headset the stereo separations often sound genuine. This may only be audio trickery -- but the end result, to my ears, makes the Rozsa score sound more warm, resonant, and involving. Did the DVD have this same mix? I couldn't immediately pull it out for comparison.


Waiting for mine to arrive. This was the first Sinbad film I saw, and John Phillip Law will always be my Sinbad. Great performance from Tom Baker and a cracking script from Brian Clemens. On a side note, I recently received the documentary, Ray Harryhausen - Special Effects Titan, which has some behind the scenes footage from the film. It makes a nice companion piece to the Twilight release.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2013 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Down to 1 per customer (instead of the previous 2!) at SAE, as well!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2013 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Dylan S   (Member)

"I was wondering how the stereo tracks were created for "Golden" -- as I recall the original tracks only survived in mono, but on a headset the stereo separations often sound genuine."

Perhaps new elements were discovered?

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2013 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

Their shipping time is interminable. Just horrible how long it takes.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2013 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   soop.broth   (Member)

I'm shocked at how little attention these blu-rays are getting around the web. Hopefully it is due to shipping delays and not actual oversight.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2013 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

Here are rave reviews from bluray.com:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Golden-Voyage-of-Sinbad-Blu-ray/80945/

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Sinbad-and-the-Eye-of-the-Tiger-Blu-ray/80978/

I can't wait to watch "Eye of the Tiger" tonight!

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2013 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Call me a heretic, but I just never warmed up to these 2 films, compared to 7TH VOYAGE. I know times and cast were different, and Herrmann was long gone.I find it hard to watch EYE these days. I have the 7TH VOYAGE BR but won't be getting these.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 7:36 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

I listened to a large chunk of the isolated score track last night for "Golden Voyage." Some sections are obviously genuine stereo -- and some tracks, to me, seem like mono processed stereo very effectively done. Also, during the initial Kali dance segment, when she is first called to life, there are a few bassy sound effects on the isolated tracks when her metal feet hit the ground -- could this have come from a music and effects stem?

So perhaps the new surround mix incorporates the stereo tracks from the album masters with the rest supplied by the mono masters and other sources? I seem to recall that the stereo album was not a rerecord, but the actual soundtrack recordings in stereo a generation or two removed from the originals which were lost. Anyway, whatever they used/abused/confused, the blu-ray looks and sounds magnificent. Mike Matessino is responsible for the isolated score tracks -- so perhaps if he ever looks at this thread he could provide an answer.

I am enjoying these two blu-rays enormously.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I never found Eye of the Tiger much of a movie (although it's the only Harryhausen movie I saw in theaters at the time of its release) but I do enjoy Golden Voyage--Tom Baker is a great villain, the animation set pieces are marvelous, I love Rosza's score and Caroline Munro is every bit as much of a visual wonder as Harryhausen's work.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

Plus secret Robert Shaw cameo!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

I've always enjoyed these two films much more than "Gwangi" or "Clash" -- they seem to have more of a human element in the animation -- when Kasim in "Tiger" is shown a mirror and he reacts in horror/sadness/disbelief to his baboon features -- well, that is one of Harryhausen's greatest moments IMHO. I also find the byplay between Trog and Kasim to be charming. Wayne is often wooden -- but he looks great -- and the artistry of the animation, for me, makes the film. "Golden" has many wonderful moments -- the birth of the small homunculus is a gorgeously realized sequence.

"Golden" is perhaps my favorite Harryhausen (tied with "Jason") -- the effects are wonderful -- the characters strong and well acted -- expertly directed -- and the screenplay is filled with clever asides (also, some groaners...).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2013 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

I love that story about the Columbia Pictures exec who saw a screening of EYE OF THE TIGER and opined, "That's a well-trained baboon." That may Harryhausen very happy.

TIGER has one of my favorite sequences, the battle with the "giant" walrus. Few other fans ever mention that scene.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2013 - 10:34 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

About to pull the trigger on Golden Voyage. How close to a sell-out is it?

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Anyone in the UK received their orders of these yet?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Anyone in the UK received their orders of these yet?

Not me! Or should I say - Not I. smile


Edit - on checking the Tracking I see that the package has been travelling around the US on a sight seeing trip since 10 Dec but yesterday left the country.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

About to pull the trigger on Golden Voyage. How close to a sell-out is it?

Greg Espinoza


Trigger is pulled. Looking forward to seeing this again. smile

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   bagby   (Member)

I love that story about the Columbia Pictures exec who saw a screening of EYE OF THE TIGER and opined, "That's a well-trained baboon." That may Harryhausen very happy.

TIGER has one of my favorite sequences, the battle with the "giant" walrus. Few other fans ever mention that scene.


While it's expertly animated, of course, the big problem with that scene is you could completely eliminate it from the film and not alter one dang thing in the story.

Eye of the Tiger just might be Harryhausen's worst film in an otherwise sterling career.

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2013 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   Julian K   (Member)

My Sinbad discs arrived yesterday (and I know a couple of other UK customers that got theirs yesterday or today, too).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2013 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)



I was also most impressed by what I assume is a new surround audio mix for "Golden." I was wondering how the stereo tracks were created for "Golden" -- as I recall the original tracks only survived in mono, but on a headset the stereo separations often sound genuine. This may only be audio trickery -- but the end result, to my ears, makes the Rozsa score sound more warm, resonant, and involving. Did the DVD have this same mix? I couldn't immediately pull it out for comparison.


I listened to a large chunk of the isolated score track last night for "Golden Voyage." Some sections are obviously genuine stereo -- and some tracks, to me, seem like mono processed stereo very effectively done. Also, during the initial Kali dance segment, when she is first called to life, there are a few bassy sound effects on the isolated tracks when her metal feet hit the ground -- could this have come from a music and effects stem?

So perhaps the new surround mix incorporates the stereo tracks from the album masters with the rest supplied by the mono masters and other sources? I seem to recall that the stereo album was not a rerecord, but the actual soundtrack recordings in stereo a generation or two removed from the originals which were lost. Anyway, whatever they used/abused/confused, the blu-ray looks and sounds magnificent. Mike Matessino is responsible for the isolated score tracks -- so perhaps if he ever looks at this thread he could provide an answer.



I've only just received my copy and have had a very quick look/listen. I agree with what you say John. I was expecting a phoney sounding 5.1 soundtrack and a standard mono isolated score but both tracks sound remarkably good. Previous versions of the film, including the DVD, have all been poor sounding mono but considerable work has obviously been done to give the surround track such convincing separation - especially for some of the sound effects.

The music certainly does have a warmth and depth which was not there before and listening to the isolated track, the music does sound much more than just a stereo spread from mono. I don't know if any of the stereo album tracks were used for the isolated score but there are some tracks - source music for example - which definitely sound true stereo although they were only available in mono for the 2 disc CD. It would certainly be interesting to know from Mike Matessino what technical wizardry has pulled this off!

 
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