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	Posted:	Dec 24, 2013 - 1:21 AM
	By:	RM Eastman (Member)

Posted: Dec 24, 2013 - 4:32 AM Edit Post Report Abuse Reply to Post
By: RM Eastman (Member)

The previously released highlights of "QBII" on Intrada barely suggests the brilliance of this score in complete form.

This Tadlow re-recording of the complete "QBII" score suggests that this masterpiece is one of the greatest film scores ever written. In the JERRY GOLDSMITH filmography "QBII" stands as one of his finest achievements.

A Huge Thank You to:

JAMES FITZPATRICK

TADLOW AND PROMETHEUS RECORDS

NIC RAINE

CITY OF PRAGUE ORCHESTRA

JERRY GOLDSMITH

AARON PURVIS

LUC VAN DE VEN

AND ANYONE ELSE INVOLVED IN THIS GREAT ACHIEVEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


	Posted:	Dec 24, 2013 - 1:59 AM
	By:	pp312 (Member)

So you like it, eh?


	Posted:	Dec 24, 2013 - 2:25 AM
	By:	RM Eastman (Member)

So you like it, eh?

That is an understatement!


	Posted:	Dec 24, 2013 - 3:18 AM
	By:	Spymaster (Member)

It's not even a film score, it's a television score, which make it even more remarkable!


	Posted:	Dec 24, 2013 - 3:31 AM
	By:	pzfan (Member)

So, is it good?


	Posted:	Dec 24, 2013 - 4:12 AM
	By:	Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin (Member)

I just got my copy, and the title of this thread is an understatement.

The recording is simply magnificent, and the music itself is Goldsmith at his very best.

A must have.

There´s no way around it.


	Posted:	Dec 24, 2013 - 11:26 AM
	By:	mnrvason (Member)


	Posted:	Dec 24, 2013 - 11:42 AM
	By:	SchiffyM (Member)

It's not even a film score, it's a television score, which make it even more remarkable!

Why? Would you assume Goldsmith would lose his talent when composing for a smaller screen?


	Posted:	Dec 24, 2013 - 12:52 PM
	By:	Justin Boggan (Member)

It's not even a film score, it's a television score, which make it even more remarkable!

Maybe the crappy productions you've seen on television have poor scores, but there's a bunch of TV movies/documentaries/and some TV series that have big, film quality scores.

Some examples (I'll skip Goldsmith):

"In Search of Peace" (Lee Holdridge; Intrada, OOP)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_yh-EC8u9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORZnXJ-h1tU

"Fresno" (John Morris; unreleased)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPiHEspAJt8

"Backstairs at the White House" (unreleased)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHAQ7pfaxJA
Okay, I'm cheating a little; it's Morton Stevens, one of his main orchestrators during his career.

"Salem's Lot" (Harry Sukman; Intrada)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT41_sCgaDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BLfXeib3IA

"The Face On the Milk Carton" (Rosenman; unreleased, sadly; recorded in Seattle, so it's cost effective to look into for an obscure TV movie score [hint, hint, labels])
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdiI7jiYkas

"Snowbeast" (Robert Prince; unreleased)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_mDioMdT84


	Posted:	Dec 24, 2013 - 2:08 PM
	By:	Spymaster (Member)

It's not even a film score, it's a television score, which make it even more remarkable!

Why? Would you assume Goldsmith would lose his talent when composing for a smaller screen?

Why would I suggest that?

Quite the opposite. I was pointing out that Goldsmith's music for television - often with dramatic or budgetary constraints - was better than most composer's music for film!


	Posted:	Dec 26, 2013 - 4:38 AM
	By:	RM Eastman (Member)

No one else receive this stunning CD? Appears to be little comment from such a great re-recording???


	Posted:	Dec 26, 2013 - 7:25 AM
	By:	rickO (Member)

I can't say enough about this new recording of QB VII. It's not a score I personally would have said "yes, I really want that in complete form." Hearing the old soundtrack recording left me disappointed. The audio quality and performance are not up to today's amazing standards. I had also never seen the film for which it was composed. But I have always loved the "Kaddish for Six Million," and it always goes in any good Goldsmith playlist. It's spine tingling isn't it?

In preparation for hearing this recording, I rented the movie. I was moved by it and I can see why it was so well regarded back in 1974. Anthony Hopkins was terrific and easy to root for. The music was well crafted. There is some striking use of chorus just as imaginative and terrifying as anything he did for The Omen. The desert material is interesting and engaging without being a parody, and foreshadows Wind and the Lion and The Mummy. The love themes are original and understated -- just the right touch.

The new recording from Prometheus is stunning beyond belief. The performances of the cues are quite excellent. The City of Prague has really stepped it up these past 10 years. I doubt that Goldsmith is the easiest composer to perform afresh, and Goldsmith re-recordings are hit or miss for me. But the sonic ambiance of the recording is quite striking. This one is definitely a winner!

One thing I always listen for on these type of recordings is how the orchestra "breathes" and "lives" in it's own space and how it translates to CD. I recommend listening to these recordings on a high end stereo system. The sound is airy and comfortable but not washed out and echoey like you could get. The pizzicato hits at the beginning of "The Kaddish" are a good example where you get the full bass effect and the sound travels around the room. The high end and low end are balanced out appropriately. (Another recommended recording is "Fahrenheit 451" from Tribute Film Music: another stunner.)

Just as Prometheus did for "Hour of the Gun" and "The Salamander," "QB VII" has raised the bar another notch.

I can only wait with great anticipation for the next recordings. I am hoping for "Damnation Alley" (this one would be a huge challenge but I think they have proven themselves that this one could be done!) and "The Chairman." And maybe "Lionheart." One can dream!

-Rick O.


	Posted:	Dec 26, 2013 - 8:46 AM
	By:	WILLIAMDMCCRUM (Member)

I doubt that Goldsmith is the easiest composer to perform afresh, and Goldsmith re-recordings are hit or miss for me. But the sonic ambiance of the recording is quite striking. This one is definitely a winner!

One thing I always listen for on these type of recordings is how the orchestra "breathes" and "lives" in it's own space and how it translates to CD. I recommend listening to these recordings on a high end stereo system. The sound is airy and comfortable but not washed out and echoey like you could get. The pizzicato hits at the beginning of "The Kaddish" are a good example where you get the full bass effect and the sound travels around the room. The high end and low end are balanced out appropriately. (Another recommended recording is "Fahrenheit 451" from Tribute Film Music: another stunner.)

Just as Prometheus did for "Hour of the Gun" and "The Salamander," "QB VII" has raised the bar another notch.

Thank you for the detailed info. I haven't picked this one up yet.

You're right in saying that Goldsmith is hard to perform, only because the original albums and OSTs had such great sound and distinctive orchestrations that people seem to want the originals and it's a hard act to follow. From what you're saying, the music is presented as it should be, as on the old album, but better, with 'life'.

Tadlow do great things these days, and Tiomkin and Goldsmith are real challenges. If they can satisfy with those, then nothing's beyond their power.


	Posted:	Dec 28, 2013 - 4:22 AM
	By:	crogrr (Member)

I'm on my 4th spin for this set in 2 days. Magnificent achievement by Tadlow/Prometheus and all involved. Buy it and support them -- you will be amazed and not disappointed!! This is something I never thought I would hear in this fashion!!!


	Posted:	Dec 28, 2013 - 6:43 PM
	By:	Glenn Butler (Member)

I just received this today--I'm still at the point of playing highlights before sitting down for the whole thing, but it's already magnificent.


	Posted:	Dec 31, 2013 - 7:13 AM
	By:	Timo47 (Member)

Sadly, I'm still waiting for this one to arrive. :-(
Anybody else order directly from Tadlow and if so how long did it take to be delivered?


	Posted:	Dec 31, 2013 - 9:54 AM
	By:	Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin (Member)

Sadly, I'm still waiting for this one to arrive. :-(
Anybody else order directly from Tadlow and if so how long did it take to be delivered?

Ordered it directly from Tadlow and got it last week, shipped to Germany.

Maybe yours got delayed because the postal service is always swamped during Christmas season. I´m waiting for several packages.


	Posted:	Dec 31, 2013 - 10:19 AM
	By:	edwzoomom (Member)

It's not even a film score, it's a television score, which make it even more remarkable!

Maybe the crappy productions you've seen on television have poor scores, but there's a bunch of TV movies/documentaries/and some TV series that have big, film quality scores.

Some examples (I'll skip Goldsmith):

"In Search of Peace" (Lee Holdridge; Intrada, OOP)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_yh-EC8u9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORZnXJ-h1tU

"Fresno" (John Morris; unreleased)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPiHEspAJt8

"Backstairs at the White House" (unreleased)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHAQ7pfaxJA
Okay, I'm cheating a little; it's Morton Stevens, one of his main orchestrators during his career.

"Salem's Lot" (Harry Sukman; Intrada)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT41_sCgaDs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BLfXeib3IA

"The Face On the Milk Carton" (Rosenman; unreleased, sadly; recorded in Seattle, so it's cost effective to look into for an obscure TV movie score [hint, hint, labels])
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdiI7jiYkas

"Snowbeast" (Robert Prince; unreleased)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_mDioMdT84

I too can attest that the score to In Search of Peace is breathtaking and one that I listen to over and over.


	Posted:	Dec 31, 2013 - 2:03 PM
	By:	mgh (Member)

I must add my praise for this recording. It is outstanding in every way. Thanks, James and the rest of the gang at Tadlow.


	Posted:	Dec 31, 2013 - 8:52 PM
	By:	Jeff Bond (Member)

I haven't quite made my way through all of it but it is superb, and really shows off the scope of this work. It must have been torture for Goldsmith to choose a mere 30 minutes for the LP. I do miss the echoplex effects (maybe they're in some of the cues I haven't listened to yet)--I understand those are hard to duplicate in a live recording. But the album's a wonderful listening experience even on my lousy computer speakers--looking forward to hearing it on a good stereo system.

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