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 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 2:07 AM   
 By:   224   (Member)

saw KINGDOM OF HEAVEN yesterday


near the final battle when Balin make some people to Knights, the music that plays is almost and very identical to Goldsmiths 13th Warrior theme, actually at some point in this underscored scene you can humm the 13th warrior theme directly


it was probbably used as temp music wink

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

The film actually licensed out cues from other scores (and some non scores); it was a topic of discussion back during the time:
VIDE COR MEUM
(from Hannibal (2001))
Written by Patrick Cassidy
Performed by Danielle de Niese and Bruno Lazzaretti
Courtesy of Metro Goldwyn Mayer Music Inc.

THE CROW DESCENDS
Written and Performed by Graeme Revell
Courtesy of Cherry Lane Music

CITY OF ANGELS
Written and Performed by Graeme Revell
Courtesy of Cherry Lane Music

SAZ VA AVAZ NAHOFT
Written by Hossein Alizadeh
Arranged by Homayoun Shajarian, Kayhan Kalhor
Performed by Mohammad Reza Shajarian, Hossein Alizadeh, Kayhan Kalhor and Homayoun Shajarian
Courtesy of World Village Music

FAMILY FEUD
(from Blade II (2002))
Written by Marco Beltrami
Courtesy of New Line Productions, Inc.

CHANSONETA FARAI, VENCUT
Written by Raimon de Miraval
Performed by Ensemble Convivencia
Courtesy of Bella Musica/Antes Edition

VALHALLA
Written and Performed by Jerry Goldsmith
Courtesy of Touchstone Pictures

EPITAFIO
Written and Performed by Luis Delgado
Courtesy of Nubenegra

BALANSIYA
Written and Performed by Luis Delgado
Courtesy of Nubenegra

CHANTERAI POR MON CORAGE
Composed by Guiot de Dijon
Performed by Estampie (from the album 'Crusaders: In Nomine Domini')
(director's cut only)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 2:34 AM   
 By:   224   (Member)

was those cues in the theatrical edition ?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, except for the last one -- as Justin says -- which was only in the (far superior) director's cut.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Yes, except for the last one -- as Justin says -- which was only in the (far superior) director's cut.


The source pieces don't really count as temp-track lifts in the Scott tradition.

'Chanterai pour Mon Corage' is a piece you just couldn't imagine Gregson-Williams not using. I've a coupla' recordings, and the lyrics are pertinent to that film. The main verses are sung by a lady whose lover is off on a pilgrimage, and she's scared. In English the chorus goes:

'God, when they shout 'Outree',
Help the pilgrim, Lord, for whom I tremble,
For the Saracens are treacherous.'

I imagine that's a composer's choice.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The only piece of JG I am able to identify as having any kind of overlap is the last part of The Ravine from The Edge. I've always thought it sounded very similar to the very distinctive Wall Breached action climax and the finish of The Pilgrim Road from KOH. Wall Breached has more 'internal' structure, though.

Kingdom Of Heaven is a magnificent score, IMHO. The first piece of music from the film's opening was strangely absent from the CD.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   gone   (Member)


Kingdom Of Heaven is a magnificent score, IMHO. The first piece of music from the film's opening was strangely absent from the CD.


Regrettably so, it's really a nice intro to the movie and beautiful to listen to.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

It was definitely from 13th Warrior

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_13th_Warrior

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

I'd love to have this expanded, it is a great score. Particularly when compared to most scores these days. If Superman Returns deserved it, so does this.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2014 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

The first piece of music from the film's opening was strangely absent from the CD... it's really a nice intro to the movie and beautiful to listen to.





As far as I can tell, although it doesn't sound like it at first glance, this opening piece is a variation on the Dies Irae.

NOT the usual opening eight or twenty notes that everyone knows, they aren't there, but if you listen to the EXTENSION of the melody at the graveside scene, and the EXTENSION to the mediaeval Dies Irae, they are the same progression of about 14 or so notes. It's subtly done, and in the context it's right too I suppose.

As for the main plucked tune to immediately start and finish, it seems to be a variation that uses the basic rhythm of the D I, but changes the melody and intervals to create a sort of folk-tune that fits with the traditional extension. This then later becomes a motif for Balin in scenes like the irrigation sequence etc..

He seems to steal the second half of the Dies Irae, rather than the more familiar trademark opening. I dunno if this is one of the 'borrowed' tracks mentioned.

 
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