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 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

There was originally the post by LEONCID from Spain, whose headline read "SEBASTIAN IS EXQUISITE!!," and later he wrote, for those not paying attention, "SEBASTIAN. It is simply EXQUISITE," as well as "great work."

Then JBFan wrote: "I agree with topic headline ("SEBASTIAN IS EXQUISITE!!") for 146%!" (100% not enough?) and "…I can't even describe it in words."

Next miguel posted: "I can't stop playing this cd…" and "I've loved the original lp for decades."

Then from CinemaScope: "Another huge vote for this one, I really enjoy it."

Then MusicMad: "Put me down as a fan, too. I owned the album many years ago and am now enjoying it again in crystal clear sound. Definitely one of my favourite Jerry Goldsmith scores,"

From vinylscrubber: "SEBASTIAN was from that period when every Goldsmith score was exquisite."

So, after all that, yes, gushing, and with nary one word of dissent, I posted notice that I had ordered it, and yesterday oyarsa declared "Never saw the film, and never listened to this before now, but I agree that it is simply masterful."

EXQUISITE. Simply EXQUISITE. Agree 146%. Loved for decades. Huge vote. Enjoy it. A fan. Enjoying it. A favourite. Exquisite. Masterful. Got that?

So the CD arrived today and I just played it, and I was quite horrified by what I heard. I have no problem with scores that are very 60s -- I love Rod McKuen's "Joanna" and have the Japanese-released CD of it -- but this soundtrack is simply unlistenable. And I can't understand how any record label would find it worthy of such a careful re-release. Why bother? Cue after cue, I had to force myself to play it to its often dreary conclusion.

I hated this soundtrack so much that I couldn't bring myself to post one more word at "SEBASTIAN IS EXQUISITE!!" and be responsible for pushing it back to the top of the soundtrack discussion heap. So I'm starting this one to see if anyone else shares my aversion to it. Frankly, this isn't just the worst Jerry Goldsmith score I've ever heard, this is one of the worst soundtracks I have ever heard -- not quite as bad as Michel Legrand's "Atlantic City," but close. I couldn't find a single cue that I would be wiling to download for 99 cents and feel that I just flushed $19.99 down the toilet. With apologies to Intrada (and I've repeatedly given top marks to other of their usually wonderful releases), but what were they thinking?

Am I the ONLY voice of dissent here???

1-13-14 follow-up: I just wrote something that included the following: "I shouldn't have reacted so strongly, though when I posted the above I just couldn't believe that anyone could possibly love "Sebastian." But apparently they do, they really do, which was a wake-up call for me. I apologize to both the lovers of "Sebastian" as well as to Intrada, and will eventually trade or sell it to someone who can appreciate it more than I. It's been an interesting couple of days."

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

I also don't see what the big deal is with Sebastian. But then again many don't really care for Poltergeist and Star Trek. Each to his own I guess.

-Rick O.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

double post

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)



So the CD arrived today and I just played it, and I was quite horrified by what I heard. I have no problem with scores that are very 60s -- I love Rod McKuen's "Joanna" and have the Japanese-released CD of it -- but this soundtrack is simply unlistenable. And I can't understand how any record label would find it worthy of such a careful re-release. Why bother? Cue after cue, I had to force myself to play it to its often dreary conclusion.

I hated this soundtrack so much that I couldn't bring myself to post one more word at "SEBASTIAN IS EXQUISITE!!" and be responsible for pushing it back to the top of the soundtrack discussion heap. So I'm starting this one to see if anyone else shares my aversion to it. Frankly, this isn't just the worst Jerry Goldsmith score I've ever heard, this is one of the worst soundtracks I have ever heard -- not quite as bad as Michel Legrand's "Atlantic City," but close. I couldn't find a single cue that I would be wiling to download for 99 cents and feel that I just flushed $19.99 down the toilet. With apologies to Intrada (and I've repeatedly given top marks to other of their usually wonderful releases), but what were they thinking?

Am I the ONLY voice of dissent here???


So, how much to take it off your hands? wink

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Dennis Brain   (Member)

Although i own over 200 CDs by Goldsmith "Sebastian" isn´t in my collection (Neither Harkit, nor Intrada). Guess why?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Dennis Brain   (Member)

DP

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

It's called releasing just about everything while stocks and interest still last. wink

But seriously folks, the quest is to digitize EVERYTHING on CD now and . . . ask questions later. I got Von Ryan's Express and The Detective. There are some very shaky cues but only because that was the shape the source material was found in. As far as I'm concerned, that is the only reason for a sprinkling of disappointment to have any reason to surface. Whatever the score, as long as it is encoded to sound tops, there just ain't a problem.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Grecchus: Re: "Whatever the score, as long as it is encoded to sound tops, there just ain't a problem."

But, for me, the sound isn't the problem, it's the music itself, which I have no desire to hear again -- don't want to put myself through that ordeal again! But are you saying that as long as the sound is OK, there's no problem with releasing it on CD? I think that a line should be drawn when it comes to lousy soundtracks, no matter how good, sonically, they sound, and no matter who wrote them!

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Exactly. As posters above have shown, someone somewhere will want it at some point. But the general rule of thumb is to try it and see how it tastes. This is one thing I've come to know at FSM.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

It is not earth-shattering, but it is hardly worthy of carrying a "buyer beware" warning.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Hi, Ron.

Do you also dislike the electronic loops by Tristram Cary?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   Dorian   (Member)

Based on the samples this music suits me well.

How much would you sell your copy for, Ron?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Ron, I think you'd really really really like Melle's ANDROMEDA STRAIN and Tangerine Dream's THE KEEP. At least 187%! Take it from me!

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Dorian:

I was startled by your question! Have never sold any music before. During a dry period for me in the very early 1990s, when I was between jobs, I loaded a big box of classical LPs into the back of my car and took them to Aron's Records in Hollywood, and they offered me $40 for all of them. But they were selling just one of them, a special boxed set of Wilhelm Furtwanger-conducted classics, for $40, so I just couldn't justify it, so I took them home and never tried to re-sell anything. This time I'm tempted. Let me think about it. Have anything you'd care to trade?

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Next time listen to the samples on the website before buying. I would also not jump on a score based on hype from someone. Research the score first. Read about the film. You should have had a clear understanding of the score before buying. I enjoy Sebastian and I am very happy that Intrada produced such a high quality CD but I class the score as a minor effort in the Goldsmith canon. Even Goldsmith himself thought little of it. That said your post is over the top.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Sorry you didn't like it Ron, personally I love it.

You make it sound like you're owed some kind of apology because you didn't like it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Last Child: Re: Ron, I think you'd really really really like Melle's ANDROMEDA STRAIN and Tangerine Dream's THE KEEP. At least 187%! Take it from me!

Based on my aversion to "Sebastian"? Or are you just playing with me? Frankly, back in my Jean-Michel Jarre/Michael Stearns/Philip Glass/Daniel Lentz days I bought some Tangerine Dream albums, at least one of which ("Exit") I replaced on CD not that long ago.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Stephen: Re: "You make it sound like you're owed some kind of apology because you didn't like it."

No, not at all. But I felt that the non-stop praise in that post seemed to leave me ill-prepared for what I heard when I played the CD a little bit ago. I see that others still agree with all the praise that was heaped on it, you included. But it just wasn't the sort of music I was expecting to hear coming out of my speakers and I felt I needed to vent that disappointment here. Frankly, while I recognize differing tastes, I'm still kind of dismayed that anyone could actually love that music.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Matt S.   (Member)

I hated this soundtrack so much that I couldn't bring myself to post one more word at "SEBASTIAN IS EXQUISITE!!" and be responsible for pushing it back to the top of the soundtrack discussion heap. So I'm starting this one to see if anyone else shares my aversion to it. Frankly, this isn't just the worst Jerry Goldsmith score I've ever heard, this is one of the worst soundtracks I have ever heard -- not quite as bad as Michel Legrand's "Atlantic City," but close. I couldn't find a single cue that I would be wiling to download for 99 cents and feel that I just flushed $19.99 down the toilet. With apologies to Intrada (and I've repeatedly given top marks to other of their usually wonderful releases), but what were they thinking?

Am I the ONLY voice of dissent here???


Ron: I am sorry you didn't like it, but to be honest, there's no one to blame but yourself. A quick glance at the product page on Intrada's website shows links to TEN samples! You didn't take the time to listen to any of them. That's on you.

And as for what was Intrada thinking? They were thinking about the people who DO like it. You're not one of them, OK fine. But the other "Exquisite" thread is proof enough that there is an audience for it.

On a sympathetic note, I do agree that it is so easy to get caught up in the hype for some scores on here. I've bought one or two based in part on the gushing some people do, and have ended up, if not regretting the purchase, then simply shrugging and putting the CD on the shelf knowing I won't likely revisit it anytime soon.

Still, that's what the samples are for. Intrada in particular is usually very generous with them. Make use of them before clicking "buy!"

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2014 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Since I did ask first, what do you want for it? smile

I can check and see what trade items I have on hand.

Greg Espinoza

 
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