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Jan 30, 2014 - 11:50 AM
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bagby
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Well worth the viewing, and a lot of work on the part of those who created it.
Terrific 3-part interview -- http://voicesfromkrypton.net/superman-exclusive-making-the-75th-anniversary-short-part-1/
--on the creation process revealed this nugget in the middle of part two:
JAY OLIVA: "Yes. Originally everything was put to the John Williams theme, but I had to do an edit around the time where Super Friends was; I had to cut out the middle part of the soundtrack so that I would have enough time to get to the big ending. You know, the big crescendo on the Williams track. I made the musical edit and everybody liked it. I showed it to Zack Snyder and he loved the theme, too, but he also thought it was a good place to maybe transition to the Hans Zimmer theme. I thought he was right, so they sent over to us the soundtrack for Man of Steel. There’s so much music in that thing, and we went to find what we could do and we ended up using the main theme. I put it right where the Doomsday fight started, because if we started it at the end, then when Henry shows up it wouldn’t fit because there’s not enough time to crescendo. My thinking was that as long as John Williams carries in to Christopher Reeve, then we’re okay and we can transition into the Hans Zimmer material, because it starts with the death of Superman and moves forward. There was originally a really, really bad edit put in there because I’m NOT a music guy and it takes a lot of work to try to massage that music in. So we showed it to Zack and he was, like, “Yeah, I can see where there’s a problem.” He suggested we call Hans and see if he wanted to do it. Zack called and Hans said, “Sure, I can do it.” He listened to it and said, “I can see where the problem is. You know what? I’m going to rescore this,” and we couldn’t believe it, because we were just going to use stock music. Again, this is one of those happy accidents – I wanted to use the John Williams theme, and now Hans Zimmer got involved, being more than willing to rescore it to help.
"And then, from what I heard much later when we were actually recording it with the orchestra, apparently Hans contacted John Williams and said, “John, I really want to get your blessing on this. Can you look at this piece? I’m trying to transition from your music into my music; this is kind of what I’ve come up with. What do you think?” And from my understanding, they went back and forth and John would be, like, “Why don’t you try THIS chord,” and they actually went back and forth and did this small collaboration. And that’s what you ended up getting – isn’t that awesome? So we ended up having this collaboration between Hans Zimmer and John Williams, which was quite nice."
If you haven't seen the short, it's here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebXB0lBoaQ0
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Great video, great story.
But for me conclusion is rather different: John Williams - composer, who can find right chord by ear and memory. Hans Zimmer - composer, who can composed 1 theme but who can do nothing with it without any help (ghost-composers or Maestro Williams, in this case).
I guess that’s one way to read it. But that’s not a “small collaboration” that’s one guy telling another guy what to do.
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As soon as i saw the thread title, i just knew it would be another opportunity for the Zimmer haters to have another go at him for daring not to be John Williams.
I liked the short.Encompasses Supes screen history and seagues nicely from his musical identities right up to Hans Zimmers fantastic theme for Man Of Steel.
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As soon as i saw the thread title, i just knew it would be another opportunity for the Zimmer haters to have another go at him for daring not to be John Williams.
It's also another opportunity to share this good news for NY-area Williams fans . . .
http://www.bowtiecinemas.com/special-programs/?program=movies-mimosas&location=mm
"Superman" is coming back to the big screen in New York for two nights only, 02/08 & 02/09!
I requested my favorite movie at the theater's website a couple of months ago, and . . . "voila!"
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As soon as i saw the thread title, i just knew it would be another opportunity for the Zimmer haters to have another go at him for daring not to be John Williams.
It's also another opportunity to share this good news for NY-area Williams fans . . .
http://www.bowtiecinemas.com/special-programs/?program=movies-mimosas&location=mm
"Superman" is coming back to the big screen in New York for two nights only, 02/08 & 02/09!
I requested my favorite movie at the theater's website a couple of months ago, and . . . "voila!"
Awesome. Are you going to dress like your avatar?
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As soon as i saw the thread title, i just knew it would be another opportunity for the Zimmer haters to have another go at him for daring not to be John Williams.
I liked the short.Encompasses Supes screen history and seagues nicely from his musical identities right up to Hans Zimmers fantastic theme for Man Of Steel.
Some of us on here are enjoying Zimmer's stuff big style at the moment. While I've been well aware of his music for years of course, I didn't realise how infectious his work is. Since seeing The Lone Ranger I have not been able to get his music out of my head. After getting TLR cd for Christmas I just haven't been able to keep the disc out of the player. It's like, end to end, mainly because of a decorating spell I had recently where I couldn't be bothered to change the disc!
Here is one soundtrack that is perfect from start to finish, with no duds to my mind. Love every second. The man's a genius and the haters can say what they like, because I always respond to music on an emotional level and it's really very good. Whatever his m.o. is with collaborators etc., who cares? What matters is the end product. And very often that end product is superb. Otherwise he wouldn't in quite such demand.
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Awesome. Are you going to dress like your avatar?
Yes, I'm going as little Michael Jackson.
"Go on, girl! Show me what you can do!"
Actually, I did win an authentic 1978 crystal-"S" logo pinback button on eBay last week. I'll wear that on my jacket, so you'll know me.
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