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 Posted:   Feb 5, 2014 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

MV said their other Golden Age titles were doing much better; he was just stunned at how awful this one did, sales-wise.


Has anyone mentioned the title as a cause? It's a horrible, sappy title. Just ink out the title and call it "West of Diablo" or "Slaughter in the Jungle" or something--no one will know the difference. Remember that almost all soundtrack buyers are male, and only girlie men would buy something called "A Certain Smile."

smile


Guess I'm a girly man because I picked up A Troll In Central Park and Tinkerbell and enjoy them both. wink Sadly there's maybe some truth in your statement.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2014 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   TonyJ   (Member)

Thanks for that, Yavar.

Folks, this film aired on "Saturday Night at the Movies" back in the 1960s. That's the first and last time I saw it. It is a beautiful soap opera filmed on location in Paris and on the Riviera. Fox's CinemaScope cameras were -- at that time -- capturing some of the most stunning travelogue-like images for their location shooting. Films like "Three Coins in the Fountain," "Love is a Many-Splendored Think", "Woman's World" (gorgeous vistas of New York City and upstage New York) and "Boy on a Dolphin" (the Aegean has never been more beautiful on film) were the "norm" on CinemaScope screens and "A Certain Smile" was a worthy entry into those ranks.

Newman's score, proper, is pure gold. And what he does with the song is amazing.

For $9.98, you, too, can have one of the most amazing scores of the 1950s.


I also saw this film back in the 60's on Saturday Night at the Movies, but only had a vague recollection of it when the score was released. Your comments about the music convinced me to seek out a public domain DVD of the film. It's an OK movie -- definitely of its time -- however, the cinematography is outstanding -- Fontaine gives one of her better late-career performances, and Newman's score is incredibly beautiful. I paid full-price for the CD and have enjoyed the music immensely -- it's easily one of Newman's great scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2014 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I just wanted to say again what a delightful 2 cd set this is.

Sure, it's a beautiful and romantic score. What's wrong with that? I buy and enjoy scores to westerns, war, horror, noir, adventure etc. But I have a wide enough interest to include dramas and romantic scores too. Every cd does not have to be Psycho etc. There does seem to be a negative reaction by some fans if a score is lush and romantic.

Alfred Newman was one of Hollywood's greatest composers and this cd set shows why.

So go ahead, take a chance on it. At $9.98 it's a steal! smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2014 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

It has always surprised me that this release seemed to somewhat sit there and is now listed at such a low price. It was a movie that I grew up watching and a score whose main theme was forever in my head. I had the LP transferred to a cd and when this release came through, I snatched it up. I would have paid 5 times the current price to have it. I am actually thinking of picking up another one lest mine gets lost or damaged (crazy maybe).

If you are a member of the younger set and are not familiar with movies and scores such as this, I highly recommend that you immerse yourself in them someday to gain an appreciation for the lovely music and movies that graced the screen during this time.

 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2014 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I wanted to chime in and echo everyone's praise from those whom have purchased this. This is my absolute favorite Alfred Newman score in my collection. Not only is the sound quality fantastic for its age, which is very important to me, but it has some gorgeous songs on here as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2014 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   djintrepid   (Member)

I'm not surprised that it hadn't sold out, considering the higher price and it's obscurity. I bought it back when it first came out and I feel the full price was worth it in the end. The quality of the printed booklets and CD artwork is fantastic to boot.

Strangely, as I was typing this out, Jelly Rolls from the very same release played in the background. I have my digital player on random play of all of my soundtrack collection, which is hundreds of albums and thousands of tracks, and of all things to play at that moment... eerie.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2014 - 8:49 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

It has always surprised me that this release seemed to somewhat sit there and is now listed at such a low price. It was a movie that I grew up watching and a score whose main theme was forever in my head. I had the LP transferred to a cd and when this release came through, I snatched it up. I would have paid 5 times the current price to have it. I am actually thinking of picking up another one lest mine gets lost or damaged (crazy maybe).

If you are a member of the younger set and are not familiar with movies and scores such as this, I highly recommend that you immerse yourself in them someday to gain an appreciation for the lovely music and movies that graced the screen during this time.




I agree with your comments. I started going to the movies in 1950. The 50s and most of the 60s had a wonderful type of film that is now long gone. Also, in the 50s and 60s many films from the 30s and 40s played on tv. I grew up with this style of film making. Most of these films were a class act.

I showed my 25 year old nephew parts of these films I have on dvd. He said they were boring! He wants action, violence, extreme fast pace and editing etc., and rock scores! While he liked certain scenes in The Good, The Bad & The Ugly, he was unable to sit through the whole film.

So it goes with the younger generations ..........

 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2014 - 9:04 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

I'm not surprised that it hadn't sold out, considering the higher price and it's obscurity. I bought it back when it first came out and I feel the full price was worth it in the end. The quality of the printed booklets and CD artwork is fantastic to boot.

Strangely, as I was typing this out, Jelly Rolls from the very same release played in the background. I have my digital player on random play of all of my soundtrack collection, which is hundreds of albums and thousands of tracks, and of all things to play at that moment... eerie.


It was $19.98 when it was released. For a 2 disc set that's a good deal!

Glad folks are rediscovering this golden age gem now that we have reduced it's price. We have too many sitting here and need to get them out the door. Thank you Mr. Pulliam for pointing out the new deal. Sales have boomed since your post! No longer will this lovely score collect dust in our man cave. smile

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 12:53 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Glad folks are rediscovering this golden age gem now that we have reduced it's price. We have too many sitting here and need to get them out the door. Thank you Mr. Pulliam for pointing out the new deal. Sales have boomed since your post! No longer will this lovely score collect dust in our man cave. smile
MV


And now that the money's rolling in no longer will you have to survive on sausage sandwiches and stale biscuits till the end of the week. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   djintrepid   (Member)

I'm not surprised that it hadn't sold out, considering the higher price and it's obscurity. I bought it back when it first came out and I feel the full price was worth it in the end. The quality of the printed booklets and CD artwork is fantastic to boot.

Strangely, as I was typing this out, Jelly Rolls from the very same release played in the background. I have my digital player on random play of all of my soundtrack collection, which is hundreds of albums and thousands of tracks, and of all things to play at that moment... eerie.


It was $19.98 when it was released. For a 2 disc set that's a good deal!

Glad folks are rediscovering this golden age gem now that we have reduced it's price. We have too many sitting here and need to get them out the door. Thank you Mr. Pulliam for pointing out the new deal. Sales have boomed since your post! No longer will this lovely score collect dust in our man cave. smile

MV


Sorry, MV. For some reason I thought it was $24.98 when it came out. Still a fair price for what you get.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

MV said their other Golden Age titles were doing much better; he was just stunned at how awful this one did, sales-wise.


Has anyone mentioned the title as a cause? It's a horrible, sappy title. Just ink out the title and call it "West of Diablo" or "Slaughter in the Jungle" or something--no one will know the difference. Remember that almost all soundtrack buyers are male, and only girlie men would buy something called "A Certain Smile."

smile




Along those lines, what's the music like for "Slaughter Trail" or "God is My Co-Pilot?"

Frankly, I love the score to A CERTAIN SMILE, which, even in its day, was meant to appeal to a women's audience. However, I was too bored by it to sit though it, when it was broadcast on "Saturday Night at the Movies," and only finally relented when I later developed a broader appreciation for the music of Alfred Newman, and located the lp, which I played a lot, for a while.

I still have no interest in the movie, which I understand was not a great success in its initial release.

But, if you want weepies, try that other Alfred Newman sob-fest, THE GIFT OF LOVE (1958), which was a remake of SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY (1946). GIFT OF LOVE has a lovely Newman score, a memorable title song, also directed by Jean Negulesco, and was also not a success.

Negulesco specialized in what I would call sleek women's pictures, a genre as forgotten today as backstage musicals. I would say his best films incorporate a kind of slick story with travelogue elements. Though HOW TO MARRY A MILLIONAIRE is probably his best-known film, I like THREE COINS IN THE FOUNTAIN, as sentimental a story as e'er there was, combined with some stunning footage of Italy, mostly Rome, and a lovely travel vignette to Venice, all in Cinemascope and stereo.

These were very popular in their day. I had forgotten that THREE COINS was even nominated for Best Picture!

And the scores to all of them were lush and melodic, beautifully orchestrated, with all the professionalism of the Fox Music Dept., under the direction of Mr. Alfred Newman, operating at its peak!

(Too bad that, because of the poor response to CERTAIN SMILE, it's highly unlikely GIFT OF LOVE, or any other unreleased scores, will ever see commercial presentation.)



 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I'm not surprised that it hadn't sold out, considering the higher price and it's obscurity. I bought it back when it first came out and I feel the full price was worth it in the end. The quality of the printed booklets and CD artwork is fantastic to boot.

Strangely, as I was typing this out, Jelly Rolls from the very same release played in the background. I have my digital player on random play of all of my soundtrack collection, which is hundreds of albums and thousands of tracks, and of all things to play at that moment... eerie.


It was $19.98 when it was released. For a 2 disc set that's a good deal!

Glad folks are rediscovering this golden age gem now that we have reduced it's price. We have too many sitting here and need to get them out the door. Thank you Mr. Pulliam for pointing out the new deal. Sales have boomed since your post! No longer will this lovely score collect dust in our man cave. smile

MV




Glad to see A Certain Smile is selling very well now, it's a beautiful score! smile

MV, can you say how well Gunfight at the OK Corral is selling? Never thought I would see this classic Tiomkin score. Great booklet too!

I believe 55 Days at Peking sold out quickly and Fall of the Roman Empire is doing well.

Maybe you should stick with the more macho titles like: "Slaughter on 10th Avenue?" smile

Please try to issue a few golden age titles best you can. Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

MV said their other Golden Age titles were doing much better; he was just stunned at how awful this one did, sales-wise.


Has anyone mentioned the title as a cause? It's a horrible, sappy title. Just ink out the title and call it "West of Diablo" or "Slaughter in the Jungle" or something--no one will know the difference. Remember that almost all soundtrack buyers are male, and only girlie men would buy something called "A Certain Smile."

smile




Along those lines, what's the music like for "Slaughter Trail" or "God is My Co-Pilot?"

Frankly, I love the score to A CERTAIN SMILE, which, even in its day, was meant to appeal to a women's audience. However, I was too bored by it to sit though it, when it was broadcast on "Saturday Night at the Movies," and only finally relented when I later developed a broader appreciation for the music of Alfred Newman, and located the lp, which I played a lot, for a while.

I still have no interest in the movie, which I understand was not a great success in its initial release.

But, if you want weepies, try that other Alfred Newman sob-fest, THE GIFT OF LOVE (1958), which was a remake of SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY (1946). GIFT OF LOVE has a lovely Newman score, a memorable title song, also directed by Jean Negulesco, and was also not a success.

Negulesco specialized in what I would call sleek women's pictures, a genre as forgotten today as backstage musicals. I would say his best films incorporate a kind of slick story with travelogue elements. Though HOW TO MARRY A MILLIONAIRE is probably his best-known film, I like THREE COINS IN THE FOUNTAIN, as sentimental a story as e'er there was, combined with some stunning footage of Italy, mostly Rome, and a lovely travel vignette to Venice, all in Cinemascope and stereo.

These were very popular in their day. I had forgotten that THREE COINS was even nominated for Best Picture!

And the scores to all of them were lush and melodic, beautifully orchestrated, with all the professionalism of the Fox Music Dept., under the direction of Mr. Alfred Newman, operating at its peak!

(Too bad that, because of the poor response to CERTAIN SMILE, it's highly unlikely GIFT OF LOVE, or any other unreleased scores, will ever see commercial presentation.)


Thanks for bringing back some wonderful childhood memories John. I was a big fan of the schmaltzy Gif of Love. The score was lovely indeed.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I'm not surprised that it hadn't sold out, considering the higher price and it's obscurity. I bought it back when it first came out and I feel the full price was worth it in the end. The quality of the printed booklets and CD artwork is fantastic to boot.

Strangely, as I was typing this out, Jelly Rolls from the very same release played in the background. I have my digital player on random play of all of my soundtrack collection, which is hundreds of albums and thousands of tracks, and of all things to play at that moment... eerie.


It was $19.98 when it was released. For a 2 disc set that's a good deal!

Glad folks are rediscovering this golden age gem now that we have reduced it's price. We have too many sitting here and need to get them out the door. Thank you Mr. Pulliam for pointing out the new deal. Sales have boomed since your post! No longer will this lovely score collect dust in our man cave. smile

MV


I had no sooner gotten the score after it was released when I tried to talk it up then...but the word was out that it wasn't selling and I could generate zero interest in discussion.

I'm glad you're realizing "something" from it....the score is one of the finest you've issued.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

I second that.

LaLaLand did a brilliant job with this release.

An ideal presentation.

Wish that could happen with other scores.

But, it seems interest in Golden Age scores has faded with the years.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)


LaLaLand did a brilliant job with this release.

An ideal presentation.

Wish that could happen with other scores.

But, it seems interest in Golden Age scores has faded with the years.


Not true in all cases. I'm sure that interest is still 'there' for the old warhorse scores and the readily available scores to films that are on home video. Not being available on home video has not helped
sales of A Certain Smile.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 7:12 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Also, A CERTAIN SMILE was never that good a film to begin with.

I mean, do we really care who wins Rossano Brazzi's affections; aging sophisticate Joan Fontaine, or rising golddigger Christine Carere? There's a scene where Ms. Fontaine is about to run through Ms. Carere with a sword. It might have helped the plot, let alone the boxoffice, if she had....

But it is a gorgeous score.

Alfred Newman was a genius.

And I'm a Newmaniac.

(An expression I coined, by the way, and which seems to have made its way into Mr. Kyle Renick's recent article in the latest issue of FSM Online... Fun.)


 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

yes, the film has problems, but on a big screen in the original color, it all worked.
Sadly Christine Carrere is bad casting, shes truly trrible in the part.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   Dylan S   (Member)

I love this score, one of the very greatest La La Land releases ever & probably my favorite Alfred Newman. 1950s scoring at its very best.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I love this score, one of the very greatest La La Land releases ever & probably my favorite Alfred Newman. 1950s scoring at its very best.



So Dylan, I take it you like this score? smile

I agree with your comments. We will never see another Alfred Newman again.

 
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