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 Posted:   Feb 27, 2014 - 10:06 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I want to know why David set out to cause all this trouble. smile




Maybe David gave me some bad advice? smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2014 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

David told me the following in 1971: " With film scores you buy the (one) record, or you don't. With classical a music piece might have 50 records of the same music opus. I only buy one good, solid performance of the music, I don't want the other 49 records. I want different records in my collection, not duplicates of the same music."

A perfectly acceptable practice.



Sure, to each its own.

It's far removed from my listening habits though. If the music has any worth or interest to begin with, it should also be worth to be recorded and performed.

For me, it is about the music, and it is NOT about any given recording of the music. Music is a breathing, living, fluctuating thing.

I don't like my listening experience of Brahms, Beethoven or Stravinsky to be caged into a single recording. That's like saying you won't ever see another version of HAMLET because you have already seen a good one. In case of Beethoven, for example, two of my favorite recordings of the sixth symphony are MILES apart in interpretation. I would not part with either, and I do have several more.

I recently picked up the Salonen recording of Stravinsky's Le Sacre du printemps... even though I already own several recordings of that piece. Still, when I listened to that, it sounded all fresh and unexpected again.

A musical score is like a play. The written notes are there to be performed. Just because it has been performed very well before does not mean it should not be performed again. Great actors and great directors can do great things with a great play just like great conductors and great orchestras can do great things with a great score. And often, the resulting performances (of either play or score) differ considerably. For me, that is part of the enjoyment of listening to a new recording of a score I already know.

Now I will grant that not all film scores necessarily possess the substance to require several interpretations; lots of it is first and foremost "functional" music, but in case of Rozsa, I'd say: hell, I am very happy if at least some of his works exist in more that one version. They are that good.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2014 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

A musical score is like a play. The written notes are there to be performed. Just because it has been performed very well before does not mean it should not be performed again. Great actors and great directors can do great things with a great play just like great conductors and great orchestras can do great things with a great score. And often, the resulting performances (of either play or score) differ considerably. For me, that is part of the enjoyment of listening to a new recording of a score I already know.

Extremely well put, Nicolai. New recordings keep the music alive. They make the composer live on in his music, before a new audience.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

(Ignore this.)

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

This well could be the last newly recorded Rozsa CD of his film scores we will ever see.

And not even a month after this ominous statement…

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2014 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

This well could be the last newly recorded Rozsa CD of his film scores we will ever see.

And not even a month after this ominous statement…





OK Schiffy ......... NEXT to last! smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2014 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

OK Schiffy ......... NEXT to last! smile

Touché!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 3:42 AM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

I am very excited and thrilled about this new Rozsa film music CD on Chandos. I have almost everything recorded by Rozsa, but it still excites me when a new fresh recording appears, regardless of the actual content. I will take it all- SOLD.

What is wrong with all these ungrateful people, headed by Mr. Caps.




Well, after listening to this CD for awhile I can honestly say that I don't like it much, both in performance and sound it is a disappointment.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 5:51 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)


Well, after listening to this CD for awhile I can honestly say that I don't like it much, both in performance and sound it is a disappointment.


Wow, I'll bet the lights are burning at Chandos tonight. "OMG, R M Eastman has turned thumbs down! I told you we should have gone with drugs instead of CDs. Those addicts never complain."

But seriously, you have a right to be dissatisfied and to express that dissatisfaction. It's good manners, however, to detail the reasons for your dislike, if for no other reason than respect for the people who worked hard on this release.

(If you've already done so, forgive me for having missed it).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2014 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I am very excited and thrilled about this new Rozsa film music CD on Chandos. I have almost everything recorded by Rozsa, but it still excites me when a new fresh recording appears, regardless of the actual content. I will take it all- SOLD.

What is wrong with all these ungrateful people, headed by Mr. Caps.




Well, after listening to this CD for awhile I can honestly say that I don't like it much, both in performance and sound it is a disappointment.




Maybe it's a good thing after all that we already have all of this music? ........ smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 12, 2014 - 10:18 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)


Well, after listening to this CD for awhile I can honestly say that I don't like it much, both in performance and sound it is a disappointment.


Wow, I'll bet the lights are burning at Chandos tonight. "OMG, R M Eastman has turned thumbs down! I told you we should have gone with drugs instead of CDs. Those addicts never complain."

But seriously, you have a right to be dissatisfied and to express that dissatisfaction. It's good manners, however, to detail the reasons for your dislike, if for no other reason than respect for the people who worked hard on this release.

(If you've already done so, forgive me for having missed it).



My chief complaint on the new Rozsa on Chandos is the wide dynamic range sound, either to soft or to loud. None of the music on this CD is loud and dynamic and none of it sounds great or realistic.

Never heard a live Orchestra sound so dull.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 1:40 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

May I enquire as to the particulars of your listening system?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 2:21 AM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

May I enquire as to the particulars of your listening system?


Vanderstein 3 Speakers

Sony SACD Player

Top of the line Pre-amp and Amp- can't think of the brand right now.

For my Home Theater a different set-up.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 2:21 AM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

May I enquire as to the particulars of your listening system?


Vanderstein 3 Speakers

Sony SACD Player

Top of the line Pre-amp and Amp- can't think of the brand right now.

For my Home Theater a different set-up.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Have you checked the tweeters in the Vandersteins? smile

No, wait, I see what the trouble is: the tweeters are set back from the midrange and woofer. If you tilt the box forward everything will fall into place.

(he he)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 3:54 AM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

The Vandersteins are brand new and they sound superb!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 4:05 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

I'll bet they do! I'm just glad I didn't have to pay for them. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

My chief complaint on the new Rozsa on Chandos is the wide dynamic range sound, either to soft or to loud. None of the music on this CD is loud and dynamic and none of it sounds great or realistic. Never heard a live Orchestra sound so dull.

This is a good illustration of why it's so difficult to communicate usefully about musical sound. Our perceptions differ, of course. There's no way around that. But so also do our vocabularies differ. People use words differently. Sometimes incorrectly, but more often just idiosyncratically. I'm sure the writer knows exactly what he means, but I find his words incomprehensible. "Wide dynamic range" denotes reproduction that allows for both extreme loudness and extreme softness: there is a great distance ("range") between the peak signal and the lowest-level signal. The CD allows for greater dynamic range than the LP. The LP had greater dynamic range than the old optical soundtracks. And old soundtracks had greater range than, say, a table radio.

But the second sentence says that "none of the music . . . is loud." The matter cannot be addressed until we know exactly what is being said.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

I should have picked up on that actually. And it doesn't jibe with the remark about "dull" sound.

Awaiting further explanation.

 
 Posted:   Apr 13, 2014 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

It doesn't surprise me that Chandos releases sound strange to film score fans. When I first bought one I noticed similar things to those mentioned here. Most Chandos releases are mastered like classical music so there is a lot more dynamic range than you typically see in film scores, even those done properly. Part of it I think comes from the nature of concert suites. Suites that are made to be played in the concert hall tend to have more dynamic range because they don't have to compete with the movie. Knowing ahead of time this is how the music would be from Chandos I didn't mind it. It should be fairly clear from the samples how it sounds though.

 
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