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 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   leslie   (Member)


Since the lengthy recent thread on Solomon and Sheba did not touch on this, it is worth noting that another brilliant composer of film scores, Malcolm Arnold, provided music for the Funeral March sequence bcause his friend, Nascimbene, was not available for further scoring after the bulk of the score had been recorded.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

why didnt you include it in the s and s thread then, leslie??

you still can. not too late.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   leslie   (Member)

why didnt you include it in the s and s thread then, leslie??

you still can. not too late.


Basically, Bill, because I wanted to highlight the posting for any admirers of Arnold's film scores who are unaware of the link with Solomon and Sheba and who may not be following the S and S thread.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   BillCarson   (Member)

fair enough -me, id bung it in the main thread as well. save it forever in prosperity and for lazy researchers!! ha ha

didnt know arnold had done that nor that they were mates.
that is an unusual friendship given we are talking 50s and 60s.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Yes I heard about that it was because MARIO NASCIMBENE had to go to a funeral.[couldn't resist, joke-ha-ha]

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

TO THOMAS- Where are you, where is THOMAS and his English language police, oh I am sorry he and his gang only go after me.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

In the movie, who's funeral is it?

I've been driving myself crazy for several days trying to match up the music from the LP and CDs to the movie, to find out what's what, what exactly the LP tracks are, what's on the LP that isn't on the CDs, and what music isn't represented on the LP or the CDs (and there's a lot!). I might as well add this Malcolm Arnold puzzle piece to my headaches.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2014 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

This is very interesting - I had no idea Arnold wrote music for S&S.

I am guessing that it is the music for the death of Abishag .

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

The sequences Arnold did had nothing to do with a funeral. There are two sequences in the film about 3 min each. They are based on a theme Arnold wrote several years earlier for "You Know What Sailors Are" and use no Nascimbene material.

Vidor wanted some music for those sequences and Nascimbene was not available.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

The sequences Arnold did had nothing to do with a funeral. There are two sequences in the film about 3 min each. They are based on a theme Arnold wrote several years earlier for "You Know What Sailors Are" and use no Nascimbene material.

Vidor wanted some music for those sequences and Nascimbene was not available.


what sequences?

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

The sequences Arnold did had nothing to do with a funeral. There are two sequences in the film about 3 min each. They are based on a theme Arnold wrote several years earlier for "You Know What Sailors Are" and use no Nascimbene material.

Vidor wanted some music for those sequences and Nascimbene was not available.


what sequences?


Long since I saw the film. Thank for youtube wink

Sequence 1 in this youtube version it starts at 39:33 ends 42:12
Sequence 2 in this youtube version it starts at 58:05 ends 1:01:11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q534Xf3pZ60

Very obvious if you've seen YKWSA and of course in Sequence 2 when Lollo smashes things.

It will be different on the DVD as above video omits the first two minutes of the film and NTSC/PAL issues...

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

double post

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

dp

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   leslie   (Member)

In the movie, who's funeral is it?

I've been driving myself crazy for several days trying to match up the music from the LP and CDs to the movie, to find out what's what, what exactly the LP tracks are, what's on the LP that isn't on the CDs, and what music isn't represented on the LP or the CDs (and there's a lot!). I might as well add this Malcolm Arnold puzzle piece to my headaches.


Jim, I have to confess that, given your impressively selfless commitment to musicological research on this issue, I did feel a pang of guilt about adding a further challenge to your task. I first bought the British vinyl album of the score in the late 50s when I was a teenager and, despite the infuriatingly frustrating lack of track listings ( which I subsequently assumed was simply due to the fact that American UA received the session tapes without any title nomenclature ) I always thoroughly enjoyed the fullblooded colour and vitality of the score, particularly for its stunning use of the human voice - arguably anticipating Morricone's approach in at least one selection. ( Morricone, of course arranged the ' bolero ' version of the Main Theme for the albom of Barabbas )

Some years ago, I watched very closely a British tv transmission of the film and I simply could not identify anything that sounded like Malcolm Arnold but I am sure your close scrutiny will reveal anything I missed. Having said that all listings of Arnold's film work specifically include S and S in his catalogue, after Nascimbene of course. In addition, the key biography of Arnold by Anthony Meredith and Paul Harris clearly notes that Arnold provided ' some extra music ' - ' the Funeral music sequence only ' while, in the catalogue of his work, Arnold's contribution is listed as Funeral March. Guenther K's fascinating posting below adds to the complexity in terms of ' You Know What Sailors Are '; a listen to the 5 minute suite available on You Tube certainly confirms that the North African flavour of some of the thematic material could readily be adapted for a biblical epic. It is perhaps worth noting that ,around this time, Arnold was entering into a serious episode of ill health which led to his withdrawal from Suuddenly Last Summer ( apart from the Main Title ). Is it possible Arnold,s music for Sand S was in fact not used?
This look back has also reminded how generally frustrated I was at this time with the way in which UA as a label treated its soundtrack releases - often bafflingly so. One of the worst examples was 'The Wonderful Country' whose many idiosyncracies were well outlined in the excellent Varese 2 CD set - what the Varese album fails to point out is that the actual film End Title ( replaced on the album by a piece of music not heard in the film but nonetheless credited as End Title on the actual score ) was subsequently released on vinyl many years prior to the CD set since I have it on a UA Ascot album providing 4 tracks each from 4 UA albums - the same 4 tracks include another of the 4 'unissued' tracks captured by the Varese release, while one of the remaining two cuts had already emerged again many years previously as one of two soundtrack WC selections on the flip of UA's Misfits soundtrack vinyl album. Can you by any remote chance throw any light on thecorrect origins of the puzzling End Title from the original album?

In the meantime, good luck with your continuing Sand S endeavours

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   leslie   (Member)

The sequences Arnold did had nothing to do with a funeral. There are two sequences in the film about 3 min each. They are based on a theme Arnold wrote several years earlier for "You Know What Sailors Are" and use no Nascimbene material.

Vidor wanted some music for those sequences and Nascimbene was not available.


what sequences?


Long since I saw the film. Thank for youtube wink

Sequence 1 in this youtube version it starts at 39:33 ends 42:12
Sequence 2 in this youtube version it starts at 58:05 ends 1:01:11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q534Xf3pZ60

Very obvious if you've seen YKWSA and of course in Sequence 2 when Lollo smashes things.

Very helpful. I have refreshed my memory of You Know What Sailors Are via a 5 minute soundtrack suite on Youtube and I can see precisely where Malcolm Arnold has mined his thematic material for the 2 sequences which I have now viewed courtesy of your link.

It will be different on the DVD as above video omits the first two minutes of the film and NTSC/PAL issues...

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

No Arnold was just hired to patch some scenes. Nascimbene was in Rome and couldn't do it.
I think the 'funeral music' nonsense comes from an old catalog and just got repeated and repeated.

 
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