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 Posted:   Mar 27, 2014 - 3:45 AM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

A beautiful score to a film I've never bothered to watch.

Varèse released the soundtrack album - according to their notes after an enterprising research in the Fox archives. With the permission of Lionel Newman they released the album as we know it today with a bonus track - sort of.

All the music is (mistakingly) credited to Alfred Newman on the Varèse CD edition. But at least three tracks on that album aren't Newman's at all.

"The Wildfeuer Polka" is composed by Johann Strauss (no such credit can be found on the CD).

I suspect "Riberhaus Marsch" and "Marche de Bataille" aren't composed by Alfred Newman either (again, no specific credits on the CD... ). And, at least one of these wasn't, indeed. "Marche de Bataille" was composed by the Danish composer Carl Christian Møller [Müller].

Of course, the traditional music on the selection titeled "Russian Easter" isn't an original Alfred Newman piece either.

Questions:
- Is there more music in the film than on the CD?
- Any plans for a more complete and restored release?


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Oh, on a side note, before I forget it, my Anastasia booklet beginns slowly to desintegrate. The paper splits, almost as if two pages have been clued together you could now seperate two layers. I wonder how they look in another twenty years...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2014 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

No, the score is not complete. Among the missing, is the actual film finale.

But you owe it to yourself to watch the film, Fox has an excelent dvd for this.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2014 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

A beautiful score to a film I've never bothered to watch.

Varèse released the soundtrack album - according to their notes after an enterprising research in the Fox archives. With the permission of Lionel Newman they released the album as we know it today with a bonus track - sort of.


Those notes on the CD were copied from Varese's LP - a re-release of the Decca LP except with the stereo tracks. There must be rights problems with all those (America) Decca recordings, which have prevented the release of expanded scores - I can only think that the extra licensing cost must be the inhibiting factor. Other Decca LPs for which it would be great to have complete scores include THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK, THE WAR LORD and A TIME TO LOVE AND A TIME TO DIE.

And I agree with Joe. You deserve to see the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2014 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Other Decca LPs for which it would be great to have complete scores include THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK, . . .


THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK was not released on Decca Records, but on 20th Century Fox Records.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2014 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   roadshowfan   (Member)

A beautiful score to a film I've never bothered to watch.

Varèse released the soundtrack album - according to their notes after an enterprising research in the Fox archives. With the permission of Lionel Newman they released the album as we know it today with a bonus track - sort of.

All the music is (mistakingly) credited to Alfred Newman on the Varèse CD edition. But at least three tracks on that album aren't Newman's at all.

"The Wildfeuer Polka" is composed by Johann Strauss (no such credit can be found on the CD).

I suspect "Riberhaus Marsch" and "Marche de Bataille" aren't composed by Alfred Newman either (again, no specific credits on the CD... ). And, at least one of these wasn't, indeed. "Marche de Bataille" was composed by the Danish composer Carl Christian Møller [Müller].

Of course, the traditional music on the selection titeled "Russian Easter" isn't an original Alfred Newman piece either.

Questions:
- Is there more music in the film than on the CD?
- Any plans for a more complete and restored release?


______________
Oh, on a side note, before I forget it, my Anastasia booklet beginns slowly to desintegrate. The paper splits, almost as if two pages have been clued together you could now seperate two layers. I wonder how they look in another twenty years...


The track labelled "Valse" isn't by Alfred Newman either. Although it always sounded quintessential Newman to me (probably because of the lustrous arrangement) but it's actually by Anton Arensky.

On another side note, if this score is ever reissued it would be great if both the US LP cover and the gorgeous colour photograph that graced the UK Brunswick issue were part of the booklet.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2016 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

I was wondering:
provided that the complete master tapes of this were found and were used in the isolated score track of the Bluray of Anastasia (I don't have the Bluray so I can't check if it's really the complete score), could we expect a new complete release soon?

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2016 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Dear lord I sure hope so! (Also intrigued about the complete isolated score for Lilies of the Field, assuming it contains more material than made it onto the LP program.)

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2016 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Well... doesn't seem very likely... as there is still no decent release of NICHOLAS AND ALEXANDRA, THE BLUE LAGOON or THE WAY WE WERE although all of them had isolated scores included on recent BDs....

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2016 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yeah, I'm disappointed in how many of these come on out Twilight Time but don't get a CD release (obviously I understand for ones like Mysterious Island or Under Fire, where only M&E materials are available for much of the score). Maybe rights issues are in play; I can't imagine that one of our labels wouldn't want to put out a complete Anastasia or The Blue Lagoon if they could do so without a great deal of trouble. And the music tracks have already been restored for the iso tracks so you'd think it might save them some money too.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2016 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Other Decca LPs for which it would be great to have complete scores include THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK, . . .


THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK was not released on Decca Records, but on 20th Century Fox Records.




Though both albums are part of Universal Music.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2016 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Well... doesn't seem very likely... as there is still no decent release of NICHOLAS AND ALEXANDRA, THE BLUE LAGOON or THE WAY WE WERE although all of them had isolated scores included on recent BDs....

I'm still waiting for a C.D. release of "Nicholas And Alexandra", which should've gotten one because of the Twilight Time Blu ray release (the same applies to "The Blue Lagoon" and "The Way Were" or the other Twilight Time Blu ray releases with isolated scores).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2016 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Does anyone else find it interesting that even the trailer has an isolated score on the TT Blu-Ray? I find that it confirms to me that the trailer music was an original composition. If and when someone puts this score on CD, I hope they include the trailer music.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2016 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   Clemens   (Member)

In case no one knows, the FOX records -- mono and stereo -- have, I believe 3 or 4 bands which are different from each other...some longer on one and shorter on the other...and vice versa...I canna remember exactly, so check it for yourself...

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2016 - 7:44 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I'm still waiting for a C.D. release of "Nicholas And Alexandra", which should've gotten one because of the Twilight Time Blu ray release (the same applies to "The Blue Lagoon" and "The Way Were" or the other Twilight Time Blu ray releases with isolated scores).

The existence of elements does not mean the soundtrack rights are a no-brainer. In some case, those rights may be tied up elsewhere. In others, the studio may be asking more than a label feels is worth it. (We don't tend to discuss that here, but it happens.)

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2016 - 9:05 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

A few things:

I agree that the British Brunswick LP of ANASTASIA had a wonderful cover, much better than the American Decca LP.

As far as extra cuts that are not on the LP/CD, there aren't that many. There are perhaps five or six more score cuts on the Blu-ray isolated track, some of which might not even be Newman. Unfortunately, some of these have noticeable "wow," and most of them aren't very long. There are also some segments from Tchaikovsky's SLEEPING BEAUTY, and a bit of Mozart's EINE KLEINE NACHTMUSIK. Also the Tivoli cue and the Marche da Bataille have an extra layer of orchestration, a sort of "hurdy-gurdy," merry-go-round overlay not on the LP/CD. It sounds very similar to some of the orchestrations in certain cues heard in CAROUSEL that same year.

On the whole, the LP and CD as released really grabbed the best of the Newman cues, with a few other things thrown in.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2016 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Probably no chance for expanded reissue as I thinki the original Varese CD is still in print.
The Russian Easter Music is, I think, by Ken Darby.
One review do the blu ray says the music only track has some music that did NOT make it into the film.
Does anyone know if this is true.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2016 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   Panavision70   (Member)

The Valse from "Anastasia" was adapted and reused in Elmer Bernstein's score for "From the Terrace" in 1960. It's on FSM's "From the Terrace" soundtrack CD, track 16 Valse Nocturne.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2016 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   Panavision70   (Member)

http://files1.kyozou.com/Picture.aspx?width=300&height=300&id=19883370

http://img.cdandlp.com/2013/06/imgL/116007234.jpg

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2016 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

After doing a bit more research, I found that the Riberhaus Marsch should actually be spelled Riberhus March, and is by Johannes Frederik Frohlich.

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2016 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)

In case no one knows, the FOX records -- mono and stereo -- have, I believe 3 or 4 bands which are different from each other...some longer on one and shorter on the other...and vice versa...I canna remember exactly, so check it for yourself...


There are indeed some differences between the two LP’s.

The original UK Mono LP has a longer “Russian Easter” track, with chants.

The “Marche de Bataillie” track has the Calliope overlay mentioned elsewhere on this thread.

The Wildfire Polka” is taken at a much faster tempo.

There is also a “Chimes” segue between two of the tracks. I can’t remember which as it’s years since I played the Mono.



 
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