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 Posted:   Mar 28, 2014 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   Chris1770   (Member)

I had the Sony edition - still have a CD-R of it. But the one to go with so far is the Rhino 2 CDs set. - Or so it seems. - That edition came out in 1997 and is out of print for some time now. Didier C. Deutsch was its producer.


According to Joe Caps [posted here in 2005!] the Rhino release is not as good as it should be. He says the "Overture" is "a mess".

Full quote: it was recorded in sections. its incorrectly edited on the rhino woth the secobnd chorus of Shenandoah missing and the chorus frequently oout of sync with the orchestra -- a mess.
...
Sheandoah - the chorus comes in too early, Enless Prarie, the guitar parts and chorus are out of sync. Frankly, the Overture on the Rhino CD is a mess.
...
Private tapes have circulated for years made from Alfred Newmans Private tapes. The complete Overture is included in these tapes.


Source: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=29826&forumID=1&archive=1


And there is another issue with the release that is obvious after checking with the CD, the "Exit Music":

Trach 21 on Disc 2 of the Rhino set claims to end with the main theme, but this is left out. The timing given on the CD for this track is correct for what is on the CD. The Sony CD does have this main title with its Exit Music and its running time is about 1:40 longer than the Rhino.

Source: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=18734&forumID=1&archive=1

More info on the soundtrack's history can be found here:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=23552&forumID=1&archive=1


But there is more missing. The "Entr'Acte" on the Sony album features the segment "900 Miles" not contained on the Rhino set. [EDIT: It is on the CD, sorry, for mixing this up.]


I suspect there is a more definitive [what a word] editions in the works perhaps. I hope it is.


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On technical note regarding the 2nd CD of the Rhino edition:

I've tried to rip it on two different players and with two different programs (EAC and WMP). But tracks #29 - #31 just won't rip at all. The CD itself plays fine in my old Denon Hi-Fi CD-player (which usually has issues with many of the newer released CDs). What a relief. But those last three tracks remain unreadable for the two ripping programs. The CD can't be played through with EAC or WMP either. EAC stops right in the region of those problematic tracks. WMP plays them partly with endless clicks. I don't think the CD is defective actually as it can be played in my old player. It could rather be that there are some digital information contained on the CD that are not related to the actual music, and it distracts the PC programs to read & play the disc correctly. Anyone else has the same problems?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2014 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

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On technical note regarding the 2nd CD of the Rhino edition:

I've tried to rip it on two different players and with two different programs (EAC and WMP). But tracks #29 - #31 just won't rip at all. The CD itself plays fine in my old Denon Hi-Fi CD-player (which usually has issues with many of the newer released CDs). What a relief. But those last three tracks remain unreadable for the two ripping programs. The CD can't be played through with EAC or WMP either. EAC stops right in the region of those problematic tracks. WMP plays them partly with endless clicks. I don't think the CD is defective actually as it can be played in my old player. It could rather be that there are some digital information contained on the CD that are not related to the actual music, and it distracts the PC programs to read & play the disc correctly. Anyone else has the same problems?


Whilst I've suffered the same problem with a few other CDs*, this is not so with my copy of this (wonderful) double CD release.

I'm playing those last three tracks (of CD2) whilst typing - all o.k.

I ripped WMA Lossless into a PC and am playing it directly from an external HDD which is probably a copy of the original rip.

Can you try another PC ~ CD/DVD drive?

* e.g.
tr.9 of CD24 from the 60CD collection RCA Living Stereo - Liszt/Fiedler/BPO
trs. 25-31 from the CD Complete Piano Music - Borodin/Rapetti
trs. 19-23 from the CD Beyond the Sea/The Victors - Chacksfield

And yet each play fine in the CD (fi-fi) player - Most annoying!

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2014 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

another problem is the indian attack, which is completely miswsing the typani and bass drum overdubs, all heard on the old MGM album.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2014 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   arne.dupont   (Member)

I ripped both CD's using Windows Media Player. No problems.
I even did rip using my Beosound 4 wich can record from radio/CD on to SD-card as mp3 files.
No problem.
My album is Rhino R2 72458 (USA).
There is different pressings of this Rhino 2-CD album. Maybe you have the european pressing: Sony Classical 88697637992.

 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2014 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   Chris1770   (Member)

Thanks for all your input!

I'd say, based on some obvious shortcomings of the Rhino edition, a newly restored & expanded HTWWW is overdue. It could very well take 3 discs to cover all the material.

La-La Land or Kritzerland, perhaps?

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I've just tried to rip it with my laptop driver. No way either.
It is the US pressing, not the European that I own.

I'm glad your copies are fine and can completely be ripped as well.

 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2014 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Calling Bruce Kimmel: Wouldn't this be a nice album to remaster and present with extra tracks????

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2014 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Calling Bruce Kimmel: Wouldn't this be a nice album to remaster and present with extra tracks????



I agree Ron. HTWWW is long overdue as a 3 CD set!

I guess HTWWW is long out of print. Glad I bought it when it came out.

I just went to Amazon: A sealed copy starts at $211.49! One guy wants $1,139.05! (Plus $3.98 shipping!) eek

Amazon used starts at $27.49 but one guy wants used $999.99 plus $3.98 shipping! Yikes! eek

Yes, it's perfect for Kritzerland, LLL, Intrada etc. Bruce? MV? Roger/Doug? smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 4:52 AM   
 By:   Chris1770   (Member)

Yes, call them all.

...and waiting now for the proper response.

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

I hate to say this, but the most likely possibility is that Warner Archive will re-issue the Rhino disk on demand as it is. As sad as it is, the number of classic Warner-controlled has reached its low point during the CD era since FSM left the field - let alone the musical-related titles (which have diminished to zero since Rhino Handmade chose to close their soundtrack operations)...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Calling Bruce Kimmel: Wouldn't this be a nice album to remaster and present with extra tracks????



I agree Ron. HTWWW is long overdue as a 3 CD set!

I guess HTWWW is long out of print. Glad I bought it when it came out.

I just went to Amazon: A sealed copy starts at $211.49! One guy wants $1,139.05! (Plus $3.98 shipping!) eek

Amazon used starts at $27.49 but one guy wants used $999.99 plus $3.98 shipping! Yikes! eek

Yes, it's perfect for Kritzerland, LLL, Intrada etc. Bruce? MV? Roger/Doug? smile


The 2CD set is still available on amazon.co.UK at the standard price. This is the reissued European pressing on the Sony label - exactly the same as the Rhino pressing.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Calling Bruce Kimmel: Wouldn't this be a nice album to remaster and present with extra tracks????

I dunno, I'd rather someone who's likely to actually keep the half-decent (though still not as good as can be) credit info the Rhino has on a track by track basis...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Amazon UK are still selling the two-disc set for £16.29, about a pound less than I paid for it about twelve years ago. So it's not perfect, what is. I can't see the point of anyone reissuing it.

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

The 2CD set is still available on amazon.co.UK at the standard price. This is the reissued European pressing on the Sony label - exactly the same as the Rhino pressing.

The same applies to Amazon Germany: http://www.amazon.de/dp/B003647BO0/

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

This is one Newman I would love to do, but the 2 disc set is still easy to find.

Perhaps some day

MV

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2014 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

This is one Newman I would love to do, but the 2 disc set is still easy to find.

Perhaps some day

MV


I, for one, would love to hear the expanded Overture. On the Rhino disc, there is clearly an audible edit in the middle of "Shenandoah" indicating that this portion of Overture was heavily edited. I imagine that many sections of the Overture, Entr'acte and Exit Music were more complete.

The Cheyennes cue I've managed to fix by overlaying the missing timpani from the LP version on the old Sony Special Products CD onto the Rhino cue.

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2014 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

But there is more missing. The "Entr'Acte" on the Sony album features the segment "900 Miles" not contained on the Rhino set.

But the Rhino set does have "900 Miles." It follows the "Home in the Meadow" opening:

I’m walkin’ down the track, I got tears in my eyes
Tryin’ to read a letter from my home.
If that train runs right I’ll be home tomorrow night
‘Cause I’m nine hundred miles from my home
And I hate to hear that lonesome whistle blow.

The train I’m ridin’ on is a hundred coaches long
You hear the whistle blow a hundred miles.
If those tracks run right I’ll be home tomorrow night
‘Cause I’m nine hundred miles from my home
And I hate to hear that lonesome whistle blow.

It then segues directly into the brief "Line 'Em" interlude that links it with "On The Banks of the Sacramento." The "Line 'Em" cue is NOT LISTED or credited in the track description, but the lyrics, adapted and adapted by Ken Darby, go like this:

Little Evaline
Settin’ in the shade,
Countin’ on the money
That I ain't made.

Ho, boys, can’cha line ’em?
Ho, boys, can’cha line ’em?
Ho, boys, can’cha line ’em?
Keep on layin’ that track, track, track, track!

Ho, boys, ho!
To California go!
Go! Go!

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2014 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Chris1770   (Member)

But there is more missing. The "Entr'Acte" on the Sony album features the segment "900 Miles" not contained on the Rhino set.

But the Rhino set does have "900 Miles." It follows the "Home in the Meadow" opening



Thanks, for the correction. It was an oversight from my part.

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2014 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Calling Bruce Kimmel: Wouldn't this be a nice album to remaster and present with extra tracks????



I agree Ron. HTWWW is long overdue as a 3 CD set!

I guess HTWWW is long out of print. Glad I bought it when it came out.

I just went to Amazon: A sealed copy starts at $211.49! One guy wants $1,139.05! (Plus $3.98 shipping!) eek

Amazon used starts at $27.49 but one guy wants used $999.99 plus $3.98 shipping! Yikes! eek

Yes, it's perfect for Kritzerland, LLL, Intrada etc. Bruce? MV? Roger/Doug? smile


The 2CD set is still available on amazon.co.UK at the standard price. This is the reissued European pressing on the Sony label - exactly the same as the Rhino pressing.



But we're looking for a "corrected" HTWWW...fixing those edit and synch problems.

 
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